God is outside space and time. HA! Take that, atheists!

When theists (Christians mostly) use the old watch maker argument because "The world is too complex to happen by chance." The counter argument is "Then God is much to complex to happen by chance." They normally counter with a few things "God is outside space and time; therefore he needs no creator." I couldn't help but say "What?!" I find this answer to be nonsense. How could anything exist outside space and time? How do you know this (bible verses). And how does this stop God from needing a creator at all? Also, they will state that "God is not natural, he is supernatural and does not require a creator." So, I guess that they can declare their creator the only exception to said rule "everything need a creator".
I've pointed out to a few Christian's that I could very well say the same thing "The Flying Spaghetti monster says your God doesn't exist, so therefore he can't." Just saying something doesn't mean it's true.
What do you say when headed with this "God is outside space and time" stuff? Is it complete BS argument?

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Comment by Hekate Moon on June 17, 2009 at 5:25pm
I guess the answer to that is "the lord works in mysterious ways." I hate that response, basically it means that "I don't know...even though I think I have all the answers."
Comment by George on June 17, 2009 at 4:39am
Also, why did god create the universe at all? He could have just done a thought experiment, and concluded it wouldn't work out well.
Comment by George on June 17, 2009 at 4:28am
As the light get brighter and brighter, the shadows keep shrinking. Oddly enough god is always hiding in the shadows.
Comment by Bryan on June 11, 2009 at 10:28pm
Yes, the whole "God exists outside of space-time" line induces eye rolling whenever I hear it. It is the result of theists desperately trying to defend what little ground they have left as modernity continually paints them into the corner of a room; the same room in which theists have previously held dominion.
Comment by Peg K on June 11, 2009 at 7:31pm
He also needed a day to rest. Some god, huh?
Comment by Hekate Moon on June 11, 2009 at 5:49pm
lol. Yes I've asked several Christians/ followers of the God of Abraham that question, their reply is "Even when you are outside space and time, you have to go into it in order to create something." Or some bollocks like that. I usually scratch my head and say "What? If God was all powerful, why'd it take him 6 days? Why not 1 or why couldn't he just snap his fingers (assuming he has any) and create the earth instantly?"
Comment by AcesLucky on June 11, 2009 at 1:36pm
If god is outside of space and time, then why'd it take him six days...? Followed with an expletive.
Comment by George on June 11, 2009 at 2:32am
That is generally referred to as the special pleading fallacy. A rule applies to everything, but in a certain instance is exempt from that rule for no good reason.



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