Hey girl, you’ll drive me to ruin…

Zeppelin seemed oddly appropriate listening for tonight while I was reading more and more articles revealing well-known celebrity men being revealed on the discreet cheating site known as Ashley Madison. A large majority of the men being outed are Christian, have families, and a few have already had major headline backlash for other incidents of malfeasance that are recently made public. One such fellow would be the seemingly headline plagued Josh Duggar. Honestly, though, the fact these fellows were on a website that facilitates cheating isn’t much of a surprise.

I grew up during the Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker scandals. If you aren’t familiar, these guys are mega church televangelists who ended up crying on television screens across America and the world, asking forgiveness from their audience members and wives for extra marital activities. Swaggart had a thing for prostitutes, and Baker treated his secretary as such. Swaggart actually remains in religious preaching positions to this day, where Bakker ended up being kicked out of his church, only to end up creating a whole new show still popular today. So, seeing the newer scandals of today where pastors and holy rollers for Christian values are being caught with their digital MasterCard racking up membership fees on sex clubs isn’t much of a shock for me.

Getting back to my opening lyric from Led Zeppelin’s Communication Breakdown, I wanted to bring into focus what I find more upsetting in all of this public airing of dirty laundry. The wives, partners, and families, of these men. It’s not just that Satan was at work in their hearts, as Sam Rader claims about his own membership on Ashley Madison, or that their idol Jesus is ashamed of their hypocrisy. It’s the fact that Jesus comes first and the families of these lecherous men are required to forgive because their marriage isn’t about them, but God.

This is my beef. It isn’t the fact of hypocrisy being committed. I will never hold anyone to the unrealistic moral codes of religious doctrine, even when being told it is possible and the only way to live one’s life. Let’s just say that the concepts of avoiding temptation at all costs, marital purity, and everything else inside that stupid book are a bit more than I think a person can really chew, and I’m okay with that. My beef is that Jesus is the Sham-Wow being used to soak up the mess this kind of hypocrisy leaves behind. Jesus isn’t just used for the men to deflect responsibility to, but he’s also the main pillow for the jilted lovers and wives to hug and cry into at night while still proclaiming dedication without reservation to the hypocrite they are stuck with. I’m pissed because this is the only choice these people are programmed to use when life takes a serious turn for the worse. Any other course of action is considered selfish, uncaring, vindictive, or just ungodly.

Are we not tired of the Fuck Ups for Christ routine? Are we not tired of the religious taking the whole Jesus quote of “take and eat; this is my body” and making him say “take and sin; my body will take it in the ass for you”? The passing along of the buck must stop, but unfortunately, it seems to only do so in a Bible and nowhere close to the source of the problem. I don’t see how anyone on the long chain of wreckage is truly Read the rest here at my blog The Bluegrass Skeptic

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Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on August 26, 2015 at 5:54pm

True Gerald @ the Christian dilemma. 

Neuroscience can explain this, in that the Christian god has been shown as a projection of their own minds.  They essentially build their god from themselves.

They are taught that this god dislikes pleasures and they are to avoid what god may see as sinful pleasure.

But, because god is themselves, they see god as thinking everything they, themselves like, as sinful.

So, essentially they are being self deprived through their own delusion.

It's a completely self-defeating process.

With no rewards for them in the end.

But, we cannot convince them of their stupidity.

Comment by Michael Penn on August 25, 2015 at 7:50pm

I met my wife online but it was not a dating site. She worked at a cyber cafe where she helped people with no phones make computer phone calls. More money in that than you think and she was computer trained.  Even so, that business failed and her family tried to set her up with her own place. That failed too because expenses were too great.

The strange thing here is that people think a "cyber cafe" is something sexual and sex shows that you give, etc. They saw too many movies about exploited people. The Feds check everything well and would have blocked her from coming here if it was even remotely true. There can be no blemish on you if you immigrate. Even so, it took her 9 years to leave me so the citizenship was not the thing. I can only assume that with her being half my age that we were no longer going in the same direction. At least she got a better education out of it. She's listed on the Internet as #10 in the top 10 purchasing agents in St. Louis, Mo. and works for a large international transformer maker.

That's not so bad.

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on August 25, 2015 at 6:57pm

True Michael, online dating sights are all rip-offs.

The majority of people are really dating a computer, not a person.

I know some who married those they met online, only to find them leave the moment they get citizenship.

They would have been better off going out and doing an interest, where they will often meet people of the opposite gender or same gender if gay, who at least share a common interest.

Instead, they sit on their computer, hoping for somebody with a common interest.

Comment by Michael Penn on August 25, 2015 at 5:15pm

I remember the Swaggart thing with him crying and whining on TV with big old tears and he says he has sinned against god. I don't remember him saying anything about letting people down or sinning against his wife. She didn't count. It was only god.

As for "Fuckups For Christ" I've known plenty of them. Norhing really matters because if you cry enough god will forgive you. I'm sorry people, there are times that people need to forgive you also just like you need to forgive them.

Into this Ashley Madison thing, the majority of that site (and others) is a scam. Most people don't know it, but you can review these sites and learn plenty. They have robots that answer you and agg you on. The reviews will tell you this. A couple of years ago I joined such a site as an experiment. I had no picture, no profile, and only a name. Then I signed out and neve3r went there again. To this day my junk mail gets "sexy messages" from robots wanting me to pay money and get more involved. That's what these sites have. Stupid people paying money and thinking they will date the robot whom they think is a real person.

Looks like that time when a couple could go to the same church together, sincerely play the game of "what does god want in my life" together, and live happily ever after is now gone. It might be because in the modern world today they give in to a fantasy as god seems less real.

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on August 24, 2015 at 5:32pm

Hey Girl, Share the song!  LOL,  I was a Zeppelin fan since they first appeared on Australian radio.

Just been listening to the story of Christianity, the reformation and how we all owe this crap to Constantine, trying to make himself equal with Jesus and Mithras (Sun god).  The other is how Jesus was a Roman Conspiracy, which also seems likely, since they cannot really find any contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus.  So those saying Jesus never existed, have no real evidence against them.  LOL  Nobody really knows anything about a real person by that name. Not even the historians living at the same time of JC mentioned him anywhere.  Funny that.   So it was a combination of a conspiracy against the Jews and a Megalomaniac Roman leader, that we have to wade around in waist high nonsense.  

Enjoy!   :-D~

Comment by Bluegrass Skeptic on August 24, 2015 at 11:13am

Very good question about the women's role in outings here, and I did look into that myself. Apparently, one of the main reason for the hack of Ashley Madison was the fact that out of the 33 million subscribers, 5 million accounts were women. And it was shown that the majority of these were fake accounts in order to keep men subscribing. So far, they are not sure if any of these accounts of females were ever real, and the hackers were pretty pissed that it's obviously a scam site taking advantage of men's money. No one was getting what they showed up to pay for apparently. Is it possible some women were on there? Absolutely. But so far, there were none of particular note. Like a Clinton or Warren, if you know what I mean.

With that said, I personally am putting aside the fact that it's mostly men, as I don't think cheating is a condemnation of a particular sex. Really, it's a very human characteristic, and often a relationship issue that can be simply resolved with the use of relationship communication. Problem is when you aren't even allowed to effectively communicate your needs or desires due to cultural restriction. Men and women alike are going to take a bite out of the proverbial forbidden fruit even more when they are taught to never consider other relationship standards to begin with.

Comment by Loren Miller on August 24, 2015 at 10:59am

Pat makes an important point, though: the public shaming has seemingly been restricted to MEN.  Last I looked, it takes two to tango.

What About The WOMEN???

Comment by Loren Miller on August 24, 2015 at 9:56am

That Esquire / Salon article is premium.  Sadly, I suspect it amounts to little more than preaching to the converted.  Until our elected representatives can be bothered to realize that the wool has been pulled over their eyes by these religious wolves, the madness will only continue.

Comment by Loren Miller on August 24, 2015 at 8:25am

Gerald, the "christian dilemma" is made worse by the fact that they condemn natural behaviors and attempt to enforce actions which have all the naturalness of bending over backwards.  Of course, that's all part of the plan: take what we want to do and use those desires to control us.  They have created conditions which almost guarantee failure, plus associated shaming and guilt, then supply the "cure" in the form of their Get Out Of Hell Free card. 

A snake-oil salesman, running his game in the Old West, never had it so easy.

Comment by Loren Miller on August 24, 2015 at 8:19am

Responsibility for oneself and one's actions has never been a part of biblical or christian teaching.  Either you got stoned to death for your transgression in the OT or put your sins on the Scapegoat from Nazareth in the NT, effectively a "Get Out Of Hell Free" card:

As a result, any peccadillo may supposedly be expunged by a quick chat with your friendly neighborhood savior / whipping boy ... whereupon some will go right back to doing what they were doing, knowing that the record can be wiped yet again if necessary.

If we’re to grow up as a species, we need to address the systems that infantilize us.
-- TheraminTrees

I've been using the above quote a lot lately, though I think with good reason.  Those who want to fall back on such regressive and indeed damaging thought patterns need to be reminded that their actions have consequences which cannot be brushed off with prayer or an apology, however sincere it is meant.  Simplistic solutions to serious problems make matters WORSE in the long run, and until those systems which teach and promote such solutions are confronted and stopped, the pattern will persist.

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