How can atheists be moral what is their reason for anything???

yeah you know the argument ... atheists have no way of justifying morality... if there is no purpose, how do we continue to live with ourselves

what's your favorite response to the rediculous notion?

I like to talk about the morality of mosquitos. I always pondered their purpose as a theist. They really made me start to question the "purpose" nonsense.


If everything must have a purpose to exist, which is already a fallicious argument, what is the purpose of the mosquito? what is the purpose of the mudskippers that crawled out of the muck and we evolved from? (of course it wont work on creationists, but they are so hopelessly retarded it doesn't matter) If everything in the universe is for the purpose of serving man, mosquitos fail miserably.

Now, if you accept that a mosquito exists simply for the purpose of existing and reproducing like darwinism claims, suddenly the parasitc little pricks make sense.


Now, as for morality? Morals are absolutely relative. Dogs and elephants and dolphins are able to simulate, if not directly feel love in their instincts. Morality seems to be a function of intelligence and all smart animals know that working together makes them more likely to survive.


Anybody have any more snide remarks or extra funny analogies? I'd like to see it picked apart from a witty or sensible perspective.

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Comment by Terry Minton on December 26, 2009 at 9:22pm
"Gee, I don't know... I guess I'm just one of those weird people that doesn't need a fear of Hell to keep me from murdering and raping people."
Comment by Stump Parrish on December 26, 2009 at 3:56am
I am not sure exactly when I learned right from wrong. Due to my lack of religious training as a youth I know it was not from the bible. What continues to cause me periods of reflection is why it was only after I chose to admit I am an atheist, that I felt the desire to do what is right at every opportunity. I feel that the get out of hell card religion presents every follower is the cause of so much of what is wrong in the world today. It is a rare day that you find a religious person that lives a life one could be proud to call their own.
Comment by Johnny on December 25, 2009 at 2:16pm
I see I came to the right place, Rosemary, LOL. excellent response.
Comment by Johnny on December 25, 2009 at 2:14pm
yes do find it please jeric. that sounds great.
Comment by jeric harper on December 25, 2009 at 1:55pm
i read an article recently about how the bible teaches obedience not morality and about how the two arent the same. i cant remember who wrote it but ill try to find it.
Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on December 25, 2009 at 1:11pm
Many primates show evidence of altruism and other quasi- "moral" social behaviour. They appear to enjoy life quite well without the need for a higher "meaning" of the sort which some humans believe to be necessary.

Babies and children live meaningful lives long before they have developed the cognitive capacity to search for existential "meaning".

Morality and ethical behaviour develop in much the same way as cognition. They are both natural phenomena with various stages which require the maturation of certain brain areas as well as environmental experience and input before the next stage can be reached. Likewise, both cognitive and moral development of the species can be viewed as parallel processes by examining human writings over the centuries. The two gods described in the first books of the Bible (the El god and the Yahweh god, both of whom created the world and both of whom indulged in mass murder by flooding it) are described in ways which meet the criteria for Stage 1 or 2 of Kohlberg's stages of moral development. The morality of the Yahweh god (the only one who survived the Jewish adoption of monotheism in the later books) varies in level from prophet to prophet and biblical author to author with the general trend improving. New Testament writers attribute actions and morals to their version of "god" which, at best, reaches the 4th or 5th level of Kohlberg's 6 stages. Some of the petty behaviour of Jesus (cursing fig trees, afflicting pigs with "demons" and discriminating against non-Jews) is well below that level. So are the misogynist, authoritarian, pro-slavery attitudes of Paul of Tarsus.

The problem for educated and well socialized modern Christians is that they somehow have to reconcile their more mature moral development with the moral immaturity of the god their religion insists has a moral code of the highest order. The mental and semantic gymnastics required to reconcile these essentially incompatible things are often spectacular.

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