I am interested in freedom from religion.

I am not interested in confronting the man or woman who goes to church, who prays before meals in their own homes, who asks for something from a supernatural power privately, or the parent who takes good care of his or her children without using corporal punishment. 

I am interested in confronting the man or woman who attempts to get his or her religious values incorporated as part of government and laws of the land. 

I have an interested in not participating in prayers to a supernatural being while at public meetings or a public event. 

I will confront anyone who uses corporal punishment or who uses fear as a tactic to gain compliance from a child, or imposes health decisions on me because of his or her beliefs, or attempts to have intelligent design taught in public school. 

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Comment by Joan Denoo on April 10, 2014 at 3:09pm

K J, yes, I feel like Kermit as well. 

I am wondering, today, if we can walk that delicate balance between knowing what homo sapiens do to harm Earth, and finding pro-active ways to inform others even as we struggle ourselves to walk with a lighter foot on the planet. 

We see the destructive forces that come to us through religious dogma, even as we recognize the importance of community. What is it that religious brings us? Community, music, art, team effort, informing the public. 

Non-believers can do all these things. It doesn't take a supernatural power to do any one of these. 

When I was a kid we used to listen to that group of singers and preacher-men who shouted their glory through banjos, guitars, Minnie Pearl; oh yes, The Grand Ole Opry. There were so many silly songs that I can't remember anymore, except the one routine they did ... oh darn! I can't remember the silly song or the one who performed it. He was a great guitarist, chubby, and the routine I liked so much was he would say something, then say why it wouldn't work and keep going around and around. Help me old timers ... anyone remember? 

Something like "the barn is on fire!" Response from another, "That's bad!" 1st man said, "No that's good because .... !"; the 2nd would say, "That's good!"; the 1st man said, "No that's bad because ... !" It doesn't sound funny in writing, but they made me laugh.  

Comment by K J on April 10, 2014 at 1:14pm

As a recently de-converted Christian and total Atheist, I agree with you all a million percent! I'm feeling more and more like Kermit when he sang "It's not easy being green". In fact, in our "enlightened" and "civilized" society/culture, it's almost impossible. Tragically sad, but in my experience, truer all the time.

Comment by Luara on April 9, 2014 at 1:18pm

If religion is taught in a non-science class, then critical thinking classes need to be required before taking it.

I'm sure our fundamentalists would looove a religion class that taught Dennett's theories about the origin of religion, Freud and others on the psychology of religion, etc. ...

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 9, 2014 at 12:57pm

Michael, I agree. Furthermore, if anyone attempts to get a specific religion incorporated in public school in social studies, history, or any of the other non-science subjects, non-believers need to be involved in the selection of the teacher to insure no proselytizing takes place. There should be written instructions to the children and to parents that studying religion will teach only descriptions of each religion, without trying to gain converts. 

If religion is taught in a non-science class, then critical thinking classes need to be required before taking it. 

Comment by Michael Penn on April 9, 2014 at 12:01pm

I agree, Joan, and I think that a lot of posts in these blogs where others are trying to make some big question out of atheist/theist literature and debates is really a setup for "intelligent design" or wanting to "teach the controversy" in public schools. Possibly the persons doing the posts are not aware of this, but that's how I see it.

There is no "controversy." Science and religion are not compatible and "creationism" should never be taught in the classroom of a public school.

When things appear to be a setup to get religion somehow incorporated into lawmaking we should all beware!



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