Intelligent design best thing that could have happened for the rational worldview?

I was thinking today about how infuriating the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" approach of creationists is, and it occurred to me that the ID movement may, in the long term, be the best thing that ever happened for spreading the scientific worldview.
Before the intelligent design movement started its nonsense, the religious community and the scientific community lived in a sort of uneasy truce. But then the intelligent design people threw down the gauntlet and tried challenging evolution directly, claiming the science was bad.
Out of this we have seen them beaten in the courts, seen things like Ken Ham's fantasy museum that is so over-the-top-stupid it makes any sensible person cringe, and seen every single argument made against evolution soundly refuted loudly and in public. I have hope that over the long haul the ideas that best fit observed reality will win. Then again, maybe I am giving people too much credit.

What do you folks think?

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Comment by Rooker on September 5, 2009 at 11:06am
When I was losing my faith but not ready to reject it completely, I looked at ID. I'm sure this would horrify whatever person came up with ID but it gave me an easy way out of religion. I couldn't believe in Christianity any more. I could believe in an intelligent designer, because it seemed to make perfect sense at the time.

Earth is right in the middle of the water zone. It's the right temperature. Conditions here are perfect for us. The moon, the asteroids and the other planets are in a near perfect position if we want to explore or colonize them. Everything seemed to be ticking over like clockwork, so it was easy to believe that it was by design.

Of course now I've seen the science and understand how silly that is. Conditions happen to be favorable right now, so no surprise this is when we sprang up. We couldn't have existed a billion years ago and probably won't be able to live on Earth a billion years from now for one reason or another.

Not to mention that Intelligent Design has become almost interchangeable with the idea that the universe is 6,000 years old. I don't know if the two ideas were associated when I first heard of ID but I never heard the idea myself until much later. You have to be an idiot to believe that crap.

The ID people like to claim that it has nothing to do with religion but with their mysterious designer. They try to pass off ID as science. At the same time, most of them believe the 6,000 year-old universe. That was the misguided idea of a catholic bishop centuries ago which most Christians don't even believe.

If you point out this obvious contradiction... Well, these are theists, whether they want to admit that or not. By definition, you can't reason with people who ignore any fact that conflicts with their faith.
Comment by Jim DePaulo on September 4, 2009 at 5:18pm
Basically ID posulates that because they don't understand evolution god (excuse me - an intelligent designer) must have done it. If you have ever read any of their word salad on the subject you sort of get the idea that they may be fucking loons.
Strangely, plain old creationism makes more sense.
Comment by Joey on September 4, 2009 at 1:41am
I think you're giving most of them way too much credit. Most still don't seem to grasp evolution actually happened, understand anything about it, nor do they have any desire to learn. They're just using ID as a wedge to drive religion into science class. After all, if they can get ID in there, it's only one more step to teaching literal creation. They're not interested in facts.
To them the fact they've been repeatedly stopped from brainwashing the children of other people is just more evidence of how persecuted they are.



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