God Fearing Guy
IN GOD WE TRUST - This religious display is quite appropriate and didn't need an act of Congress to do.

I'm an Atheist, but I like most Theists. Really, I do. Admittedly I don't agree with them, but I'm also strongly for the idea of to each his own. But, sometimes some of them can be real pains in the tuckus.

Fundamentalist Christians complain incessantly about how the 10-15% of the non-Christian naysayers of this nation have them on the ground with the jackboot of oppression on their necks, poised to prevent them from saying Merry Christmas or some other form of "oppression". Having overwhelmingly fewer jackboots than God-fearing necks is mathematically impossible. Perhaps it's a modern-day expression of the Loaves and Fishes School of Math Theory.

But oppression? Really? Syria is oppressed. Most of Africa is oppressed. A good number of Americans are oppressed. Hell, China is so oppressed they almost stamp out all religion. In some places on Earth oppression comes at the point of a gun. Asking to simply let government be government and religion be religion isn't oppression, even if people scream it in frustration over the unending need to label everything on God's (their opinion, not mine) green earth with a religious creed.

The 'Reaffirmation' Commeth

God Trusts the NavyThe latest example is Rep. Randy Forbes' (R-VA) - and the 64 co-sponsors of his bill - legislation to "affirm" In God We Trust as the national motto. Apostle Randy wants to encourage public buildings, schools, and government facilities to carve the motto into whatever stone is available in their crumbling, under-funded, spending-cut hallways.

Personally, I don't think we even need a national motto and if I did, I'd rather have something like No New Taxes or Capitalism Uber Alles, even though I don't agree with those sentiments either.

In God We Trust is already on our money and the official US motto by law. I'm not agitating to remove it. If a dollar is still a dollar (adjusted for inflation) I don't think it's worth the trouble. Besides, when people throw it in the collection plate it's labeled so God can easily find his money among the assorted socialist Canadian nickels.

This whole reaffirmation concept is a bit weird. Do we go around reaffirming other laws? How about the tax code? De we need to carve it into the walls of the Republican National Committee's walls? Was the failure to reaffirm prohibition what eventually led to its downfall? C'mon.

How 'bout a Few Props for the Rest of Us?!
This bill, “sends a message that 'In God We Trust' is not only written in the halls of our federal buildings, but it is a bedrock upon which our nation is built." Forbes explained. “...in times of national challenge or tragedy, the people of the United States have turned to God as their source for sustenance, protection, wisdom, strength, and direction.”

Fair enough. I feel that if you want to turn to God when things go to Hell, smite yourself out. Whatever gets you through the dark ride of life is a good thing - God or otherwise. The problem is that not all of "...the people of the United States" turn to God. It's also true the "bedrock upon which the nation is built" was mostly Christian. However, it ignores the work of those who didn't believe in God. Hey, how about a few props for the rest of us?!

In God We Trusters, here's a little experiment. Ask yourself how you'd feel if I authored legislation that said, "You know, those God-fearing folk were a bunch of goldbrickers. Here I was, off building some bedrock, and they were spending all their time carving mottos into every available flat surface. No wonder it took so long to build the intercontinental railroad."

Yeah. It doesn't feel quite right, does it?

Cross posted at The Omnipotent Poobah Speaks!

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Comment by Omnipotent Poobah on November 2, 2011 at 9:34pm
Well Tenken, what can I say to each his own, including you. I calss 'em as I sees 'em, not as how someone else says I should see 'em. Still, it's productive feedback.
Comment by Tenken on November 2, 2011 at 8:12pm
I think there's a big difference between being militant and being aggressive, but you haven't even reached "bold" status.  You might as well be dancing "The Twist" in rebellion against conservatives.  Your tone is such that even religious people might respond with, "You know, he has a point."  Oooh.  I think I just realized how genuinely you take "live and let live" to heart.  It is absolutely pervasive in your writing.  I have to admit, on the topic of religion, I completely disagree, and so does the majority religious influence in this country.  For this reason, by clinging to such a passive attitude, we would just be trampled and never gain the valuable rights to establish a "live and let live" environment for everything other than religion.
Comment by Omnipotent Poobah on November 2, 2011 at 9:41am


Maybe this is just my way of raising a little hell over what I believe is just as discriminatory as the religious position. That doesn't make you or me any less atheist or traitors to "the cause".

Comment by Omnipotent Poobah on November 2, 2011 at 9:16am
Don't let the moderate tone confuse you. In most cases I am moderate. Like I said, live and let live. I just choose to get more militant when I think the issue is bad enough. For me, reaffirming something that's already a law is not such a big deal. In fact, I think it makes them look dumber than if I'd gone on a tirade against them. On the other hand, issues like rewriting history texts to make them more christian-centric or how the Army proivides emotional care based on a clearly religious-centric test are things that make my blood boil. In the end, not everything makes my blood boil. I'm not afraid to stand up and fight. I just choose to fight when I think it's appropriate.
Comment by Tenken on November 1, 2011 at 9:17pm

Your moderate tone confuses me.  "I don't care if your religion is illegally forced on me by the government, but do you have to carve it on the wall?"  It almost doesn't even merit writing an article.  You're posting on an atheist website.  You don't have to worry about offending any religious people.  You are free to make bold statements!  This is wrong.  This is f*cked up.  This is illegal.  This is war.  They want to impose their beliefs on us, beliefs justified by a fictional god from a false religion.  Schizophrenics are a dominating influence in our political system.  Now, they want to slap every rational thinker in the face by plastering symbols of their false religion on government property.  This is a problem.



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