Has something changed with Ning?

It's had lags and hangs for years.

Istn't it the CEO's job to fix it.

Perhaps if email was sent to the CEO CEOtalk@ning.com, everytime there was a hang, or lag the CEO might find a pattern.


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Comment by Chris on January 21, 2017 at 7:13am

Cable based internet access is better than 60 year old telephone lines.

Go figure?

That should be immiterial to Yahoo security breaches.

I'm kind of old school with telco - you need to make this g/d thing work.

Comment by Chris on January 21, 2017 at 7:02am

You may have heard tht Yahoo had a security breach.


Comment by Grinning Cat on January 19, 2017 at 3:53pm

Chris, good luck with getting reliable internet service!

(My ping results, over a cable-based ISP, were similar to Loren's, about 50 ms for yahoo.com vs. 94 ms for atheistnexus.org.)

Comment by Chris on January 19, 2017 at 12:05pm

I called AT&T. They dropped the line speed from 15Mb/s to 6Mb/s and are sending an outside tech this afternoon to check the line again.

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 19, 2017 at 11:40am

The email provided with my current carrier AT&T is Yahoo

Chris, I know Yahoo offers free web-based email just as Gmail, Hotmail, etc. do. An email address ...@yahoo.com shouldn't depend on keeping your current ISP (as opposed to ...@verizon.net, ...@comcast.net, ...@cox.net, etc.).

Comment by Loren Miller on January 19, 2017 at 8:41am

One last recommendation: you could use a Gmail account which can be accessed by a mail client such as Outlook and not have to worry about changing addresses again.

Comment by Chris on January 19, 2017 at 8:25am

I agree that my problem is with my ISP.  I probably shouldn't complain about Ning.

Neither of the previous two images I attempted to post went through. I keep getting 40000 character limit errors.  The first sweep from Sunday morning had dropouts with an average rate of about 6.7 Mb/s. The second shows an averate of 18.6 Mb/s with a jerkey creep before steadying out.

The first one seems to be a type of capacitave short. The second seems to be a capacitive  impedance problem  because it jaggedly creeps up before getting a connection to link. I'll call my ISP which is the telco (AT&T) to request they drop the speed down to 6 Mb/s to see it that helps.I doubt it will.

If it doesn't I'll change to cable. 

The line from my house to the telephone company central office is only about 7,200 feet (~ 1.4 miles) as measured with a TDR.

Many, if not all of the inside and outside techs who've looked at this problem don't seem to know much. I was suprised one knew what a TDR was. I don't think he knew how to read it, or even knew what impedence is.

Sorry for the multiple posts and deletions.

Comment by Loren Miller on January 19, 2017 at 7:00am

Chris, I suspect your problems may have more to do with your ISP and its interaction with the internet in general and possibly Atheist Nexus in particular than they do with A|N exclusively.  I just did a "ping" on Atheist Nexus and got the following:

C:\Users\Loren>ping atheistnexus.org -w 1000

Pinging atheistnexus.org [] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from bytes=32 time=145ms TTL=231
Reply from bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=231
Reply from bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=231
Reply from bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=231

Ping statistics for
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 79ms, Maximum = 145ms, Average = 96ms

By comparison, a similar ping on yahoo.com came up with times roughly 40 milliseconds shorter – significant, but not that much.  I should mention that my ISP is Time-Warner cable with a maximum receive rate of 35 mbps.

Offhand, I would say that you and your ISP need to have a LONG talk.

Comment by Chris on January 19, 2017 at 6:57am

I should probably change my internet over to cable, but don't want to change my email address.  What a pain that is. The way the rules work I can't transfer my email when I change ISP's.

I've only had two email addresses in the past 23 years.  Maybe it's time for me to drop, what is it ~$40/year to get my own web site/address.

The email provided with my current carrier AT&T is Yahoo.  Gmail and other free email services are data mining sites so it may not matter that much as it is.

I'm looking at a company out of Sonoma California called Sonic.

The wiring has to work before anything else does.

Comment by Chris on January 19, 2017 at 6:46am

I'm not sure what's going on with Ning.

A couple of days ago I complained to AT&T again about the hangs and lags I have.  It's worse  in the winter, when it rains or in the evening.  My telephone (POTS) line also intermittently disconnects.

The tech that came out this time told me that my connection is too far from the telephone central office to carry the speed for my connection and recommended dropping it from 15 MB/s to 12 MB/s.  He said 6 Mb/s should be enough to carry an incomming internet connection capable of streaming two, feeds simulteniously. 

This has been an ongoing battle. Several sections of outside cable have been replaced. At least 12 splices were redone and the line from my house to the pole was replaced twice.  Modems, filters and other items at my house were changed numerous times (at no cost to me).

Speed tests at night are unstable and often show dropouts.

I thought the problem was mainly with my connection to Ning and the internet in general until I began reading about others complain about Ning

I wonder where A/N and Ning's servers are.  It would be interesting to speedtest to their IP address.  I forgot how to translate a WWW address to an IP address. Does someone know the IP address for A/N?  I'd like to speed test it.

Perhaps they have the same type of problems as I. My understanding is Ning's servers are in the Santa Clara area of California.

Wouldn't you think the cable, or telephone lines through the Silicone Valley would work properly and be up to the current standards for reliability?

I live in the North San Francisco Bay are about 50 miles from Santa Clara.

There was talk about making internet a public service much like a library rather than a public utility then came the 1996 telecommunications act.

The FCC has a zoomable map that shows internet information in the U.S.


My understanding is much of Scandanavia, England and Northern Europe have fiber communication networks  which of course is better than the copper networks mostly used in the U.S.. Wouldn't you think that in the Silicone Valley and outlying areas would have fiber?

I know a guy living in Ukrane who said his internet connection cost about $8 U.S. with speeds of 10 Gbpps.


I obviously need to learn more about this.


The following map shows ranges for U.S. county broadband adoption rates reported to the FCC, current as of Dec. 31, 2013. Fixed residential connections meeting the aforementioned speed requirements are included with the exception of terrestrial mobile wireless Internet.


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