I just got back from a baseball game. Before the game starts we all face the flag for the national anthem. I don't know about you but I still feel uncomfortable doing this. I think I am going to start showing up late for the game. No worries, I am not playing. I was a fan. How do you feel when everybody faces the flag in America and starts the anthem?

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Comment by Fabio on July 9, 2010 at 5:53pm
I think I'd just stay put and let them enjoy their moment. Singing the anthem is not a legal requirement. If you get scolded, that will be your chance to tell them you're there for a good game of baseball and not to have your national pride galvanised. I think I have a very positive attitude towards public scorn and scolding. If I receive any, it most likely means that I've stood up for something I deem worth fighting for, and that makes me feel great.
Comment by Earther on July 9, 2010 at 2:05pm
Now that we all agree, what should I do? It would be great if I show up to the game and the umpire says lets obey all the rules, be respectful and "Play ball"! They don't. If I stay seated and roll my eyes because I feel the whole world has gone nuts I get scolding, frowning looks and shunned by society. If I stand respectfully I feel bullied. Should I just show up late, stand in the back not to be seen?
Comment by Johannes S. on July 9, 2010 at 1:55pm
I feel little or no national pride at all. I am a human, from Earth and that's all.

I'm Estonian, but I don't feel that that makes me special or better/worse. Why would it matter which corner of the planet I was born in and which culture I was raised in? It makes no difference whatsoever. I don't love my country more than I love any other country. I feel that my country has achieved more (quite a lot more) than similarly sized countries with a similar history in the same region, and I'm glad to be born here, and not 600 miles south, but that's about it.

There's no reason to appreciate this single country, when I should be appreciating this awesome planet I happened to be born on. I should be appreciating humankind for all its achievements, and life in general.

I'm a human(ist) first, atheist second, European third and Estonian fourth.
Comment by Dale on July 9, 2010 at 1:38pm
There was a long period of my life in which, when asked where I was from my instant response would be, "Earth". Both because I thought it was funny and because I didn't hold any national pride. This changed a bit when I lived overseas for a year. Though I do claim that I felt perfectly comfortable and even claim the city I was staying in as a second home I realized that my first was Canada. However that is how it was, first home and second home. I still think I hold allegiance to Earth above and beyond Canada, but Canada is a close second.

In defense, I do find a strange bit of pride when singing Canada's national anthem. Even with the reference to "God" in it. If I could fix the wording a bit I would highly enjoy it. As for an Earth anthem... how about one for humanity dealing with pursuit of good, knowledge and understanding? A really sappy anthem. None of this reference to defense, supernatural beings, rights to land or war.
Comment by Earther on July 8, 2010 at 8:25pm
I think I agree with you. Since I live in America, America is my home. Therefore I support my home as everyone should in that most people are innately self perserving. Earth is also my home and I am patriotic of Earth as well. I am glad we don't have an Earth anthem yet. I kinda like the thought of being peaceful to aliens if its possible, haha.
Comment by Fabio on July 8, 2010 at 8:09pm
Well, I'm not American but I think the issue applies to people from all countries. I'm Italian, but if there's any such thing as a patriotic stance in me, it has Europe as its object. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with patriotism, but practically speaking national pride has historically nearly always been a blinding hindrance to the individual and the collective good, a threat to human cohesion, so I'm not too big on it. The sooner we leave national identities behind to replace them with something bigger and more global, the better.



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