I was bored watching South Park, an epi where Cartman fake's Tourette's Syndrome so he can say any bad word he wants. The host of "To Catch a Predator" (Chris Hansen) is interviewing him. Kyle knows he is faking, so he lures pedophiles to the studio, where they see Chris Hansen and kill themselves. I heard this actually happened, so I went on youtube to see if it did.
I was surprised to see that someone had been commenting on all the "to catch a pedator" for days, trying to rationalize and say that pedophilia is OK, as long as it's between a consenting adult and child. I was immediately grossed out at this, but seeing that two people had already tried to have a debate with this person and all he did was tell them that, A.) they were not using logic, and thus only stating 'baised' opinions, and B.) Said they needed to use 'facts' proving that children are harmed by non-forced sex between an adult and a child.
He even went as far to say this: "..I would argue that if an 8-year-old was curious about sex and wanted an older person to teach them, then there would be nothing fundamentally harmful about that since the perils of sex are not intrinsic." Just to clarify by 'an older person to teach them' meant not teach them about sex (I have no qualms about telling children about what sex is if they inquire) He means, if an 8 year old wanted to have sex with an older person.
I remember being 8, and I remember not knowing what I wanted a lot of the time. Sex is a really, really big thing for a kid to even think about. I don't think it's right for an 8 year old to decide he/she is ready to have sex. They aren't mentally fully developed, and are unable to take care of themselves. Anyone who said this to him however, was using "psedo-science" and not acutally fact. He said all of our ideas that sex is dirty and kids should be shielded from it is rooted in Christianity. Much of is; I think kids should be educated about having sex, but not be having it with adults. Many adults that want to have sex with kids aren't right in the head, and often are just doing it to take advantage of the child. Really, what can a 50 year old man have incommon with a 8 year old child?

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Comment by Hekate Moon on March 6, 2010 at 12:52am
I think one of the basic reasons child (for the sake of argument, a prepubescent) and an adult engaging in sex is wrong is because it is really impossible for a child to actually consent, considering they really have very little free will. Children are under the authority of adults, they are taught to do what we tell them, and will essentially believe what we tell them without questioning it. Believe it or not, there are people who think its OK, even good for an adult to engage in a sex act with a child.
Comment by Limber Lightfoot on March 4, 2010 at 5:14pm
We have had a few high profile paedophile cases in Australia recently, all very bad. The worst was the 8 year old girl taken out of her house in the night while the family was sleeping. The police found her body dumped in a drain nearby the next day. Another girl, 6, was grabbed out of her front garden (with her mother chasing after) and dropped back in the area, physically ok, about an hour and a half later. The family, to their credit I think, are not releasing details of what happened to her except to say that the man was an animal. There are news stories every week about kids of varying ages escaping from some random paedophile freak trying to pull them into a van on their way home from school. It's too much.

I'm not open to discussion about children under 10. Under 10 paedophilia = BAD. It's bad over 10 too but then you start getting grey areas and age/activity scenarios so for the moment lets limit this to the under 10's.

So, the guy gets caught, hopefully, and does some time in prison but then they have to let him out. He has rights. The court assesses the "risk" to the community and puts limits on what he can do, where he can go. But I'm a mother and the "risk" I'm willing to tolerate is pretty damn close to zero. These guys just seem to reoffend like clockwork. I'm not saying it's their fault for being wired up to get off on little kids, but they are wired up for it. I've worked in Drug & Alcohol for a decade and I've seen no evidence that if you are wired up for alcohol, heroin, gambling, whatever, that you ever stop liking it or wanting it. You might be able to control it but there are no guarantees and relapse is always a possibility/probability. You don't stop thinking of it fondly. You find ways to justify to yourself why it's ok to indulge, even crazy ways like the paedophile Hekate quotes.

So my real question is, and this is a big question in a lot of countries, what do we do with paedophiles because what we are doing at the moment is crap. Letting them out to reoffend is crap. Spending a fortune trying to watch them after they are released is a) expensive and b) no guarantee of them not slipping out to reoffend. One guy has been hounded out of house after house in Queensland, and was moved to housing in New South Wales but when the neighbours got wind of who he was there were crowds outside his house and a neighbourhood watch, and some local burned put a fake coffin on his lawn and I think the government even changed a law so that they could make him move again. It's not fair for the paedophile either. I do feel for sex offenders who can't settle down anywhere, but at the same time I don't want them anywhere near me or any kids. I'm torn between my usual cruisy liberal sensitivities and my fierce maternal desire to shred these men.

So, we can't keep them locked up, and I don't want to let them back into society. I don't want to let killers back either (in case you were wondering). I want them banished. One solid strike and they are gone. Lets not give Sam Smith another opportunity to take a kid out of their bed and fuck them up for life...or worse. I want them banished.

I want a solution.

They can work on oil rigs...
Comment by Jim DePaulo on March 4, 2010 at 4:39pm
As a retired high school teacher I can say that many high school girls tempt one to abandon reason (and job and freedom). Any straight male who claims they have no sexual thoughts about a very hot 16 year old is lying through their teeth.
This was particularly difficult when I was a young teacher in my 20's and had numerous opportunities to sample the wares. However, the real possiblity of going to jail, loss of job and spending one's life as a registered sex offender has a chilling effect on one libido.
Being arroused by an 8 year old, OTOH, is a serious malfunction of mental processing and probably has less to do with sex and more to do with control.
Comment by Hekate Moon on March 3, 2010 at 10:58pm
I don't think anyone would 'choose' to be a pedophile either, its a pretty messed up thing to be.
Comment by Hekate Moon on March 3, 2010 at 10:33pm
Maybe, but it's not normal by any means to see a little kid and be like "Oh, he's hot!".
Do you think someone chooses to like prepubescent, or it's caused by external factor, like a mental disorder.
Comment by Hekate Moon on March 3, 2010 at 10:17pm
I sort of wonder about the past of some pedos. They usually have some trauma in their past that leads to this, for instance sexual abuse in their family. Human minds are a bit strange, what we fear as kids, we crave as adults. It's crazy. Probably, many of these men (and some women) were taken advantage of sexually by an adult. They find that doing same thing to a child is the only way they can "get off".
Comment by Hekate Moon on March 3, 2010 at 10:13pm
I know, after looking at that forum I wanted to clear my browser's history. It's just hard to comprehend that these things exist, still, and there are warped parents that are OK with their children being exploited like this. Kinda makes me wonder what is going on with a family like that that sees this sort of thing as OK.
Comment by Prog Rock Girl on March 3, 2010 at 10:10pm
Didn't want to look too much into that page, in case someone wants to come and arrest me...

Oh and I watched something once about some girl whose mom was "OK" with things like that (mainly b/c she didn't want to lose her boyfriend...pathetic!) and she got arrested right along with the guy.
Comment by Hekate Moon on March 3, 2010 at 9:55pm
No, actually I am not surprised. I found a woman's blog a while back. She writes about her abusive childhood and how she was the victim of a pedophile porn ring. She had horrible things done to her, so horrible after reading them, I couldn't sleep...
But, sadly, I'm not really surprised by this. Not even the boy-lovers are attempting to use Jesus to rationalize their actions. What I am really disgusted about is the poster states the boy's mom is OK with their 'relationship'. Just EW.
Comment by Prog Rock Girl on March 3, 2010 at 9:54pm
I love when people assume that logic is on their side, like this guy was. I do think that having TV shows like "to Catch a Predator" show that people have an unhealthy obsession with pedophilia, though. It's a witch hunt. I think people like to feel that there is someone who is below reproach and that they can say "I'm not like that." You are right that a child hasn't figured out what they want. The basis of statutory rape is the same; adolescents may think they want something that isn't a good idea, or they could be manipulated. Which I remember thinking was pretty insulting when I was a teenager. And it isn't always a case of predatory adult with naive underage person, either. It also is a very different thing to be attracted to someone who is legally underage but biologically an adult. As for will a child invariably be traumatized? Everyone is different. Others didn't like it but got over it. And others have ongoing psychological problems. I did come across the account of a pubescent who said he liked his teacher "breaking down the boundaries". But a child doesn't legally have capacity to consent, and also the potential for trauma and for an adult taking advantage outweigh a few who think of it as positive.



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