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"no such thing as objective good"
Just to clarify this point, because it is clear that this point can hardly be clarified too much (lest people accuse you of making some horrible lapse in reasoning!), there is no such thing as a purely objective, absolute type of good. There are still many things we can say objectively about values, so much in fact that what seems like the bulk of human values appears virtually completely objective. But a purely objective set of values can only exist if they exist absolutely, whether or not we as humans even exist at all. This cannot be. It is nonsensical to speak about values as if they can exist in some other world independently of the people that hold them as a result of their subjective experiences. Think about this point a lot - it is essential, and can easily cause confusion when not driven down to a very fine point.
Wanderer, thank you. You've given me what I need to continue...
BTW, I agree with you about the ethics argument. It is something I want to learn about, as it is so important.
I must say, to toot my own horn, I think this last argument is perhaps the best starting place for an argument against theism that I have ever come across. Woot woot!
Also, going back to the argument I made (1, 2, 3, 4...) 5 posts ago concerning the unmoved mover, what audacity he has to claim that he is the authority on which beliefs are the most rational! Excuse us if we don't take his word for it, and since we definitely do not (show me anyone who makes a convincing argument that the unmoved mover is a securely more rational belief than any of the alternatives), the position to admit ignorance of such matters should at least be a prime candidate.
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