You can't prove a negative. Science will never disprove any god. It's impossible. The same way you can't prove bigfoot, tooth fairies and leprechauns don't exist. You simply look at the evidence at hand and determine which hypothesis fits the best. A supernatural creator has no evidence to support it. This hypothesis alone creates an even greater problem because you then must explain the complexity and origin of the deity. The evidence of our universe, our galaxy, our planet and our species suggests there's not even a need for a supernatural creator. We have far more plausible hypotheses that have significant amounts of evidence to support them. Most atheists are not atheists for emotional reasons. They're atheists because they embrace, logic, and reason. Until there is significant evidence to support the god hypothesis, we shall remain in a neutral state and speak out when it's utilized in passing laws that suppress our fellow humans.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 6, 2014 at 10:52am

Let us imagine a house infested with cockroaches. The exterminator comes in, does the job and leaves. Can you prove there are no cockroaches left in the woodwork, out of sight, out of mind?Until and unless they start leaving trails or you start seeing evidence of at least one pregnant roach re-infesting the place.

Or let us imagine looking up into the night sky on a warm, clear night and seeing all one an see with the naked eye. One can claim that is all the stars that exist. Some wise-guy or gal brings a telescope over and you see the old stars in a new way and many more stars. You go to a planetarium and see billions and billions of stars. New instrumentation empowers one to see far more than the naked eye. 

Or let us imagine believing in a supernatural power that answers prayers, loves us, takes care of use, has his/her/its eye on us at all times protecting us from evil and promises to send us to heaven if we obey or to hell if we don't. Even with the use of a microscope or a telescope it cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted, felt, and there is no evidence other than belief and faith. How can one prove or disprove the existence of god?

How can I prove there are no roaches? or no more stars, or no god? Just asking.  

Comment by Michael Penn on May 6, 2014 at 2:48am

I agree fully with Anthony Jordan.

Comment by Luara on April 18, 2014 at 1:54pm

"Cannot be proven" isn't the same thing as "false". 

Comment by Future on April 17, 2014 at 9:02am
Anthony, that is a pretty brilliant observation. I'll have to remember that.
Comment by Anthony Jordan on April 16, 2014 at 6:48pm

The claim that you cannot prove a negative is a product of folk psychology, and as such, it is false. If it were true then you could not prove that you cannot prove a negative, because the statement, itself, is a negative.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 16, 2014 at 2:23pm

Laura, I like your style.

Comment by Luara on April 16, 2014 at 12:43pm

Why thanks Joan.  My rat investigations were actually when I started appreciating the usefulness of thinking in solving real world problems.  Before then, I had mostly thought of rational thought as useful for math, or in science generally. 

The mice didn't notice my reflection watching them in the mirror.  I guess they know a person's there mostly by smell. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 16, 2014 at 12:20pm

Luara, you are so clever! I would love to know your background, your education, interests, what brought you to this stage of your life? I don't mean to pry and you certainly have the right to your privacy. However, I often wonder about your story.

This mice and rat story appeals to me, for example, as do so many of your writings.

Comment by Luara on April 16, 2014 at 5:40am

At least with mice, if one doesn't see droppings, it is a possibility there are no mice in one's home

I've had fun spying on mice, using a setup with mirrors, to see where they're coming from. Rats are very cute. I found that rats were eating the dogfood I left out overnight, when I cleaned the stove and found caches of kibble in it. I found out how rats were getting in by sprinkling powder around places where they might get in. When I got up in the morning there were little scrabbly pawmarks around their entrance.

It's spooky to have silent but largish creatures emerging into your house at night, and it felt good to investigate them and determine that they were subject to the constraints of physics.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 8:21pm

You can't prove god doesn't exist, just as you can't prove cockroaches aren't in one's home. At least with mice, if one doesn't see droppings, it is a possibility there are no mice in one's home. Those little devils get in through the tiniest holes and they do leave droppings. The question is, are they dropping in places one cannot see?

So, we are pretty much stuck with we can't prove god does not exist. 



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