Very fun conversation on a somewhat goofy radio channel. It is on YouTube, but the video/ads have nothing to do with what we are discussing. Thanks to Dr. Sasha Lessin and Janet Lessin for having me on the Sacred Matrix Radio Show. They were excellent interviewers in that they kept it conversational and listened well. Dr. Lessin impressed me with his discussion of Emile Durkheim, one of the founders in the sociology and anthropology of religion.