I don't hate other religions, i just don't care for their knowledge or understanding of things. Why im an atheist. I don't see how they believe in things they believe, but i don't hate them. I respect religions, even as an atheist, because i find it to believe if you give them respect, then they shall give you...do onto others, as they do onto you, and old saying i have grown up to actually respect myself. but today, im piss off at the religious community and what they did today.

A dear friend of the family, an old one, died and my mom and I decided to go to her funeral and pay or respects. I even attended her ceremony of life, or whatever they like to call it. As i was there, i did not pray with them, i did not sing with them, i close my eyes and tune away from everything they said about religion and did not pay attention to it. So as i left the church, yes, thats where it was, I was approach by the preacher, of course he ask at first "Why don't you come to church anymore?" and i answer "Church is not me, im not into this whole religious stuff." He then gave me that, "oh timothy, you should believe and take into jesus....blah blah" then he looks at me and ask, "By the way, why didn't you pray with us? or sing? Did you not care that much for Sarah?(not her name, don't wanna say her name to everyone, out of respect and all)" This driving me angry, but keeping my calm i answer "Its not that i don't care for her or anything, i just don't care for the religion she is part of. I came to pay her my respect, not to praise a false idol or anything. To give my respect to a religion that i don't care about or don't take part in." He responded "Its not a flase idol, its our only and true god, blah blah. Plus, you should pray that her family is ok." Finally i stated "To pray is to give disrespect to your religion, and i do not do that. I respect religion and to do what you are asking is not respecting them. Im an atheist, i do not and will not believe in anything like that, sorry." he tried to give me more of his "wisdom" but i refuse to listen anymore to that stuff, so i just walked away and left. I hate when something like that happens and hate when people look at me like im the devil because i refuse to believe what they do. To me, its disrespect to do that, to shun on me because i don't believe. It makes me wonder, should i started calling them dumbasses, idiots, retards or something for believing in a flying bearded man who takes a shit on them everyday, because if he was real, he fucking doesn't love them, thats for sure. well, im done ranting about my shitty day, how was your day? Any shittier then mine? or was it glorious then mine? Eh, like i care right now, rather go get high and go smacking some christians right now.


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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 9, 2011 at 6:47pm
Name calling never helps people, it only makes them defensive and less capable of thinking logically. Violence is much worse, and it degrades you. Smacking someone around isn't good coping. Sharing your feelings here is a good coping strategy. What you probably need most is validation for your feelings, and respect. We have both. Kudos for staying calm. Research shows it's normal to feel that much pain from shunning. Pain of Ostracism Can Be Deep
Comment by Sandy on June 9, 2011 at 6:19pm
Sounds like a horrible place to be - way too wishy-washy for my liking. I think I'll stick with my worldview, judgmental though it may be.
Comment by John Camilli on June 9, 2011 at 6:15pm
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I have never claimed that people are "bad." I don not think the concept of "good" and "bad" are valid. I think that the source of what some humans want to call "bad" and "good" is other humans, not books.


I find my stance quite liberating, but if it doesn't work for you, then I suggest you don't use it, lol. I respect everything by virtue of its existence, but it is not the same thing that most people call respect. My respect does not extend any rights to anything or anyone because I believe we are all causally compeled; that we only do as we must and could not have done otherwise. Therefore, nothing is "good" or "bad" or "right" or "wrong." It is only what it can be, and nothing else.

Comment by Sandy on June 9, 2011 at 8:38am
I think Glen got it right, John. Your "philosophical nullity" as he calls it is hampering your thinking processes. If you're determined to believe that humans are fundamentally bad but that all the ideas and thoughts they conceive of are worthy of respect, you're just going to tie your neurones up in knots trying to reconcile the two.
Comment by John Camilli on June 8, 2011 at 10:00pm

Yes, I would say that. I would say you should rather look to the aspects of human nature that became embodied by the Nazi party (and not even all of them because I'm sure that even in the Nazi party you could find some values that you agreed with). Do you think that the Nazi's invented the cruelties they commited?


If I wrote a book encouraging everyone to kill people, would you ban or burn the book and let me go on doing as I pleased? What if I just wrote another one? Isn't it me that's the problem, and anyone who would use it, rather than the book? Do you hate and condemn guns because they are designed to kill, or do you condemn people who kill unnecessarily with guns? Do you hate Einstein because he enabled the invention of the A-bomb?


Religion is mostly just stories and philosophies. It's people who interpret them and use them to validate the things they hold as "goods," and condemn the things they hold as "evils." And based on how many interpretations there are for each holy book, you can tell that people will pick and choose what they want from religious ideas to justifiy anything under the sun.

Comment by Frankie Dapper on June 8, 2011 at 9:05pm

Four thumbs up, sandy.

It is a dangerous and feckless idea John is espousing.

I just felt like using feckless. But imagine a nazi and a philanthropist are indistinguishable. In John's wonderful world of philosophical nullity being human and exercising judgment is same as being judgmental or without any ideas whatsoever.

Comment by Sandy on June 8, 2011 at 6:44pm

@ John Camilli.

I don't think you've really thought your argument through, John. Even if religion is an expression of innate human nature, that doesn't mean it's harmless or neutral or not to blame for the ills that are done in its name. Religions are ideologies that harness, amplify and focus both the best and the worst of human nature. They can inspire people to actions that they wouldn't otherwise have taken, and they impose a worldview on their followers that may encourage bigotry and violence, and all the worst excesses of human behaviour.

Would you say that because we know people were capable of murder, mass slaughter and racial hatred prior to the rise of Nazism, we shouldn't blame Nazism for the atrocities of the second world war?

Comment by John Camilli on June 8, 2011 at 1:03pm
You definitely usually intend to hurt my feelings (sniffle), lol.
Comment by John Camilli on June 8, 2011 at 3:40am

The reason I say those behaviors predate religion is not because I know I'm right. It's just my reasoning, based on my observations. I see animals do most of the shit the people complain about religion doing, and since people are animals too, I suspect we did similar things before we were smart enough to write stories.


"And how can I "look past the religion" when it's religion that tells men..." Sure, but who wrote that stuff? People did, so the ideas were in their heads before they even called it religion. It is not chicken and the egg unless you think some god actually wrote any of the holy books. In order for those ideas to have gotten into stories and books, they had to first be in the minds of men. There is your chicken, and there is your egg. Religions are just omelettes.



Comment by John Camilli on June 8, 2011 at 3:35am

Sandy, if you find it hard to respect other's views that you think are nonsense, it's because you think your own ideas are not, which is typical of the human ego. We are all wont to think that we perceive the world correctly, think about what we perceive correctly, and draw correct conclusions based on our observations. We each have our own consistent, subjective worldview...except that it isn't consistent with other people's view. So, naturally trusting ourselves more than others, we assume that it is they who are wrong. We've all been there, but part of getting over ourselves is realizing that everyone else's view of the world is just as valid as ours because none of us has perfect observation, recollection, cognition, or reasoning. There are holes in all of our theories. If you want to tell me why your view is better than someone one else's, I'll be happy to help you find the holes in yours. I promise you, they are there.


And when it comes to one's overall view of reality, it's pretty much an all or nothing deal. You either have the absolute, 100% correct view of how reality works, or you have a fantasy. Frankly, I suspect we all live in a fantasy. That you want to believe your fantasy is real is why you reject the views of others who contradict you. Your lack of respect for their ideas is really a preference for your own, and only in shedding that aspect of the ego will you be able to see others on equal terms, regardless of whether or not you agree with what they think.



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