The right to own slaves runs deeply in our history, creates traditions that benefit some while harming others. The moral teaching of the bible supports slavery in both the old and new version. To pretend that christianity supported abolition of slavery is to deny history and delude oneself into thinking that the scriptures are a fit place upon which to build value system. 

Morals come from inside oneself, not from what one learns in a religious home or in a church. 

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Comment by Joan Denoo on August 8, 2014 at 7:48pm

Grinning Cat, thank you for your kind and affirming words, even as I continue to feel guilt and shame for taking ten years of my children's lives to figure out that god does not answer prayers. I drove from central Texas with my three kids, two mama cats and their litters, swearing all the way across Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Idaho to Spokane  "God damn you jesus, to hell with you god, I did everything you told me to do and I prayed daily for relief and you lied to me. You both are the devil incarnate!"

I bought this old condemned house for $12,000 and got some Triple T Compound, a rag mop, and filled the mop, without its handle, with TTCommpound and slapped it on the walls with great force, saying, "take that you son-of-a-bitch" and pulled the slop-mop away, leaving crazy patterns with each slap. It looked a little like stucco when the rooms were finished and that got rid of my pent up anger ... no, it exhausted me to the point that I couldn't waste any more energy on being outraged. I had important work to do, like earn a living and get an education. 

When life gives you a lemon, make meringue ... out of TTCompound. 

Comment by Grinning Cat on August 8, 2014 at 7:13pm

Joan, your story of escaping a horrific environment and, together with your children, creating a new life for yourselves, really is inspiring!

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 8, 2014 at 6:26pm

Grinning Cat, I love that quote. It is true, in my experience. 

Comment by Grinning Cat on August 8, 2014 at 5:51pm

A great quote from the video: the former slave Frederick Douglass: "I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs."

Comment by Grinning Cat on August 8, 2014 at 5:37pm

C.J., Joan, and Loren, yes! The authors of the Jewish and Christian bibles evidently had no experience with successful societies not ruled by a king or queen. The best they could hope for was an ideal benevolent despot replacing human monarchs, in a future messianic age or in a "kingdom of heaven".

Comment by Loren Miller on August 8, 2014 at 1:35pm

NOWHERE in the bible is there any mention of RIGHTS, human or otherwise.  There is plenty of talk about the obligations of man to his [self-invented] god, but NOTHING about the rights of individuals.  With that as preamble, the bible's implicit endorsement of slavery should come as no surprise to anyone.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 8, 2014 at 1:21pm

C.J. Dangelo, exactly! Say that louder, more often, and in anyplace that religion is spoken. 

Comment by C.J. on August 8, 2014 at 1:15pm

If a person bases their value system on holy books, the person is viewing the moral world through the lens of Bronze Age and Iron Age tribes from the Middle East.  The person is in a time warp, estranged from everything that has been learned during the last 2000 years and every other culture outside of the Middle East.



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