You can't help but be stunned by the power of propaganda. Nowhere is this more apparent then in the "environmental" movement, which, in its extreme form, is a religion. Let me give two examples.

First, this asshole:

Mention the name "John Christy" in any group of greens and they will beat each other to a stupor competing to inform you that this middle-class researcher is a sell-out, bought and paid-for by big oil. Meanwhile they spout the self-serving ravings of A CAREER POLITICIAN WITH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT STAKE!!!!

Second, this pair:

I was buying a magazine once, that had a cover story suggesting that the Sun might be responsible for much, if not most, climate change on Earth. The rocket surgeon behind the counter said, laughing, something to the effect of "The Sun? Ha! Where do they get this stuff? Think it might have something to do with us? Duh!".

Now, my point here is not the actual role of the Sun in climate variation, which is still very much up in the air. My point is that somebody has managed to convince millions of people that the very idea is laughable! That picture shows the relative sizes of Earth and Big Daddy. That a PR campaign can convince so many people to believe that it's laughable that a star could cause climate variation on a tiny little planet that orbits inside its atmosphere is absolutely awe-inspiring.

And not in a good way.

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Comment by Jason Spicer on November 28, 2009 at 11:53pm
Actually, Steve, plenty of people are calling for a massive reduction in meat eating as a way to ease humanity's burden on the planet. I can't seem to give it up, but I am trying to cut down.

John C, the painting of the sun and earth above may show the relative sizes, but it in no way approximates the distance between them to scale. If the earth were that close to the sun, we'd be a cinder. Perhaps you're familiar with the idea that light power falls off with the square of the distance. 93 million miles is a lot of attenuation. Of course the sun heats the earth, but how much heat is retained is the critical question.

And what the hell is it with the right wing and Al Gore? You guys have such a bizarre anti-hard-on for this guy, you'd think he was the spawn of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. Please cite your sources that Gore has hundreds of millions of dollars at stake on the climate. He may be a politician, but so what? Like that automatically makes him evil? As far as I can tell, he's one of the more honorable men to have held high office in the US. I suspect you don't buy AGW in part because it's associated with the opposite end of the political spectrum from you, which is a crappy basis for judging the merits of the science.
Comment by Stevie Hunter on November 20, 2009 at 7:39pm
Yeah, the guy's face was about how I felt watching about that.... Horrid propaganda.
Comment by Rusty Gunn. on November 20, 2009 at 12:25pm
"I do not have the time, money nor ability but I have seen the evidence and I am very happy to have Mr. Gore representing me."

It seems that different folk see different "evidence".
Comment by Marshall on November 20, 2009 at 12:00pm
Everyone agrees that the sun obviously plays a significant role in the earths climate; however the radiation produced by the sun has been pretty constant while our climate is demonstrably changing. This whole argument is a red herring designed to make us conclude “Oh I hadn't thought of that, the sun is hot isn't it”? Again, the sun has been hot for a very long time, and global warming seems to correspond with carbon emissions.
Comment by John C on November 19, 2009 at 9:56pm
Wow. That really is sad, Stevie. And strangely appropriate for their message to be printed on phony money.
Comment by and no religion too on November 19, 2009 at 9:45pm
Just because Al Gore is the face of the global warming debate does not make said crisis any more or less dire. He is a career politician, yes. But he has also seen the evidence and has the time, money, and ability to present it in a way that is digestible to a large number of people. I do not have the time, money nor ability but I have seen the evidence and I am very happy to have Mr. Gore representing me.
Comment by Stevie Hunter on November 19, 2009 at 9:41pm
I just watched a video over Christian propaganda, you might enjoy it.



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