I do ask people to understand the following NOT as an insult but rather as an expression of deep sadness about the current state of things....
Frithjof Schuon once wrote:
"The intellectual - and thereby the rational - foundation of Islam results in the average Muslim having a curious tendency to believe that non-Muslims either know that Islam is the truth and reject it out of pure obstinacy, or else are simply ignorant of it and can be converted by elementary explanations; that anyone should be able to oppose Islam with a good conscience quite exceeds the Muslim's powers of imagination, precisely because Islam coincides in his mind with the irresistible logic of things."

Very often when i discuss topics with muslims  I  am reminded of the above quote. 

What however i think is a very sad fact is that of all the people i debate muslims seem to be the ones that have the least knowledge about logic, reason and science. Well, let us inject that they might be on the same level as bible beld creationists with no degree. Most debates center around the intellectual level of children at the age of 5-10. It almost seems as if many of the muslims that debate have not grown up mentally beyond that stage. Several possible reasons come to mind. One of them being poor education, but another one seems to be the deep insecurity that lingers at the edge of a faith that is upheld not because but rather despite reality.They drown their own lack of knowledge by videos of the Zakir Naiks of the world, by copies of internet propaganda where scientists are quote mined and have been exploited by islamic "reasearch" organizations.... The same groups that around half a decade ago when science was "in" and islam was "out" thought about a way to make them both compatible so that they wouldnt loose the followers. The same group that held conferences and tricked scientists to participate in order to promote science in the islamic world while the real goal was to claim scientific miracles in the Quran. I still have the email correspondance i have held with some of the quoted scientists. Not a shred of truthfullness in all those internet videos can be found and you see a desastrous agenda at work. Now we see the fuits of all those efforts. People that do not have a clue about evolution, yet spit out the venom of supposed knowledge on why evolution would be wrong, "backed up" again and again by supposed "new discoveries" of science. The fact that 99% of scientists in the biological field alone take evolution as fact either is ignored or discarded as conspiracy.
It is sad to see such stubborness of people that claim to belong to a society that supposedly was one of the greatest until just some 600 years ago. Now the decendents of that society ask questions at the level of "who made a tree ?.... there must be a creator" instead of dealing with questions like those that modern science tackles every day starting from the connection between body and mind up to the first few nanoseconds of this universes existence.
"Can a thief go unpunished if he doesnt get caught? No, i dont want that!" That is the level that get's discussed in the net. Hours are spend debating whether it is halal or haram to listen to music.... And we get to hear "no, my grandma was no ape"...


Now ALL of this would be ok, if this was a kid who talked.. we expect to hear such stuff from kids. But we are talking with supposed grown-ups here. And the most arrogant part of it all is that those supposed grown-ups tell us what "REASON" and "LOGIC" supposedly is and ask us to listen with an open "MIND".
The irony of this is nauseating.

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Comment by Sassan K. on September 27, 2011 at 2:23am
Islam = world's most vile belief system
Comment by annet on September 26, 2011 at 8:07pm
This is why better secular education is crucial across the board for all nations.
Comment by Ronald Hunsecker on September 26, 2011 at 12:22pm
I think this is becoming more true in the Christan religion also.  It seems to me that most religions rely on "Faith" as the basis for their knowledge and thereby keeping that knowledge at a very childish level.



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