The United States was not "Founded" as a "Christian Country"

I am an American.
On top of that I am also a Texan.
I was born in Texas and can trace my family coming to Texas in the 1850’s.
Most of my family came from the United Kingdom. The rest came from Europe.
Some have been in the United States since the early 1700’s. Some fought in the American Revolution against England.
For what I can tell, they all were “Christians” of some sort or another.
I am an Atheist.
I’ve been an Atheist since the age of six.

I have a degree in History from Texas A&M University. It is a University that is conservative. There’s nothing “liberal” about it.
In order to graduate from high school in Texas, you are required to take a government class that covers both Texas and the Federal Government.
In order to graduate from a college or university in Texas you are required to take:
Six hours of American History
Three hours of Texas government
Three hours of American Government.
So you’re looking at a total of 12 hours of American history and government.
I’ve heard many a time my fellow student whine about having to take these classes that they’ll never use.
They use them. Or should I say, they “don’t” use them every time there’s an election.
I do.

I also use them when I hear such myths as, “America was founded as a ‘Christian’ country.”
It wasn’t.
“There’s nothing in the Constitution about ‘Separation of Church and State.‘”
There isn’t.
Any reference to “religion” is in the Bill of Rights:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So what does that mean? It means we don’t have a “National” religion like we did when we were the colonies and part of England.
This is religion is known as “The Church of England.” King George III was the head of it. As have all Kings and Queens have been going back to Henry VIII.
Henry, if you recall, told the Catholic Church and the Pope where to go and started his own.
You see, one of the reasons the American Revolution happened was that we felt we were not being fairly treated as our fellow Englishmen were in England. That we were not being “Represented” but were still being “Taxed” as all English subjects were.
Hence, “Taxation without representation.”

Also, for well over a thousand years, Kings and Queens had used the “Church” vis-à-vis religion to enforce and validate their positions, their power, and the rule.

The Founding Father’s knew this.

And didn’t buy a word of it.

In fact George III wasn’t even English. That’s also reflected in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That’s why Arnold Schwarzenegger can’t be President.
But that’s for another time.

So when George Bush #43 say, “God wanted me to be President…” he should have been removed from office.
James Bakers law firm and a frivolous lawsuit got Bush #43 into office. Not “God.”
And how Mr. Baker was treated by Bush #43 in his second term, haunts Mr. Baker to this day.

But that’s not what I want to talk about.
What I want to talk about is the silly notion that the United States was founded as a “Christian” country.
It wasn’t. It’s a myth being promoted by people who know nothing of the History of the United States and know even less about it’s government.
This can easily proven with a quick American History lesson.
One of the earliest issues the young country of the United States had to deal with were the Barbary Pirates. This cumulated in the Treaty of Tripoli.

Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

So even as far back as 1796, the Senate of the United States gave proof not only to the people of the United States, but the world as well, that it is NOT a “Christian” country nor was it FOUNDED as one.

So when you hear this myth being promoted, you have the ability to be a “Myth Buster” and set the record straight. And please, reference Article I of the Bill of Rights and the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli that was ratified by the United States Senate and signed by the President John Adams.

And just to tweak their noses a bit more, remind them that John Adams also signed the Declaration of Independence and therefore a Founding Father.

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Comment by Gary Huckleberry on June 15, 2010 at 6:08am
Yes, I agree that it is a great idea to steal peoples money to build roads and kill strangers for political purposes, because no one could ever get a corporation or group of individuals to pool their resources to do what's good for them. But I do think that instead of calling it theft, we should call it tax, so that people don't mind so much. And we should give trillions of dollars to banks because they need the money and we should buy weapons for foreign countries so that they can use them against us like they do now, .. and it's all good for the economy, except for our dead soldiers, but we can still buy more soldiers.
Comment by Rick on June 14, 2010 at 2:24pm
A. I do not appreciate my blog being used for sexual innuendos.
Unless I do it.
B. This posting was about how the US was never ever founded as a "Christian" nation.
C. Just where the hell were all these screaming "Tea Party" half wits when Mr. Bush and the so called Republican Party were in control of our government and more the doubled our national debt?
If you recall, Mr. Bush cut taxes and spent spent spent.
Well, guess what, now it's time to pay for all the goodies you got under Mr. Bush and company.
the Constitution and Bill of Rights allows for our government to impose taxes. Not only at the Federal level, but at the state and local level.
These taxes pay for services. Like paved roads, water and sewage systems. I'm sure you can go put a well in and have an outhouse if you so desire.
You see, it takes money to run a town, city, country, perish, state, or federal government.
When you want to go bomb some "rag head" it takes money.
Might I remind everyone that Mr. Bush also cut taxes.
Now Bush also has an MBA.
Well, Mr. MBA seems to have forgotten that less income, with increased costs, results in a smaller bottom line and in some cases, a loss.
We're at a "loss" right now.
Now, that all said, I am a vet.
I have seen government waste all over the place.
I remember back 20 years ago when a BALANCED BUDGET was all the rage.
I also remember the Graham Rudman Hollins Balanced Budget Act of the 1980s.
Funny how that has just been swept under the carpet.
So here's the deal:
Oh and we're going to have to raise taxes to help pay down the debt.
And that 89% of the Baby Boomers from the 60's and 70's that defaulted on their Guaranteed Student Loans, need to start paying those back.

Personally, I like having paved roads to drive on.....
Comment by Gary Huckleberry on June 14, 2010 at 6:23am
Men are raped in prison on a regular basis, and the "authorities and women look the other way!". The theft of skin from baby boys penises is a far more heinous act that is condoned by the authorities. It is not even considered a crime. Anyway, my previous point was... that taxation and licensing are immoral, abusive acts,.. acts that, like any disease, creates more disease (immoral acts) if left uncorrected. And these practices "create" more abusive violence including rapes. My purpose in using the word rape was to put things in perspective, not to lesson the harm done by rape ... or nagging ... or stealing the skin off penises.
Comment by Olga Spelts (Human Bean) on June 13, 2010 at 2:32pm
"If the founders were rapists and supported that behavior in the constitution (like they did with taxation), then women would be up in arms everywhere, bitchin' an' bitchin. Well, I have news for you. Taxation is rape"

Seriously we dont want to liberalize the word 'rape' for everything. Its a heinous act and one that should be used in its proper context, not to describe every personally interpreted violation. I also hope it wouldnt just be women up in arms against it as many men would also be appalled as they have mothers, wives, daughters, ect. It also wouldnt be 'bitchin.' A stark divergence from the normal rational discourse on this site.
Comment by Olga Spelts (Human Bean) on June 13, 2010 at 2:29pm
Love the post!
Comment by Gary Huckleberry on June 11, 2010 at 11:18am
The founders and the constitution are irrelevant. If the founders were rapists and supported that behavior in the constitution (like they did with taxation), then women would be up in arms everywhere, bitchin' an' bitchin. Well, I have news for you. Taxation is rape. So why support the constitution or the stupid founders of it. The new americans fought and died to free their communities from British taxation, and then the first thing the "founders" do is write a constitution that includes the right to tax, and - call up an army. The constitution is a big nothing, and, according to George Washington, (you remember him?) - the government is little more than violent force. That is why gangs are taking over the USA - they USE the guns everyday. If the average Joe (or Jill) uses a gun in self defense, they get held IN JAIL, repeatedly questioned, harassed, and possibly prosecuted. The Uncle Sam is nothing more than a confused gang with the biggest gun.
Comment by Jennifer W on June 9, 2010 at 9:02am
The truth and propaganda hardly ever go hand in hand. If anything the founding fathers wanted people's religious freedom to be more private.
Comment by Rick on June 9, 2010 at 7:46am
Loren... I don't think the Bible Pounders would be ready for that.
I'd cut government spending across the board,
I'd balance the budget (enforce the Grahamm Rudman Hollins Act of the 80's)
Enforce the Bill of Rights
Build a big thick wall between religions and the government,
Tax religions, places of worship, and religious leaders if they even uttered a political word,
Enforce fuel efficient cars and transportation,
push wind power, solar power, and nuke power, bio diesel,
make very politician who was for "war" kids or grand-kids, or nephews or nieces serve in combat or direct combat support,
Stop war profiteers and profiteering,
Get Bin Laudin,
and that'd be just the start....
But thanks anyway....
and yes...the no religious test is there.
Comment by Loren Miller on June 9, 2010 at 7:37am
There's also that nice little bit in Article Six of the Constitution, too ... you know, that little business about " religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

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