U.S. Constitutional Bill of Rights Becoming Meaningless

The Patriot Act has made a mockery of the 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." by allowing warrant-less wiretapping.

Now with the National Defense Authorization Act being passed by Congress the 5th Amendment is in threat. The act lets the military grab U.S. citizens for indefinite detention. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/indefinite-military-detent...

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - attributed to Ben Franklin

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Comment by John Camilli on December 23, 2011 at 3:20pm

Well, you may be interrested to know that because of people switching domain servers, GoDaddy.com just removed their support of SOPA, which is another of these bills proposed to limit our freedoms. The fight is only over if we sit around and do nothing. The people in power tend to be people who WANT power, which means the fight is often one-sided. The rest of us who simply want to live and let live need to change our willingness to speak up or we are going to be driven to extinction. The present is something of a critical moment for this process, so if you want to be able to continue living as you do, then you need to fight for it, even though that may not be your natural inclination. I'm glad you signed the petition, and passed the link on. That's an effective means of fighting back in itself, when enough people do it.

Comment by matthew greenberg on December 22, 2011 at 12:55pm

there was/is a petition about this on change.org.  i gave it the cursory electronic signature and moved on.  i guess i've just accepted that our rights are being stripped away.  probably not the best attitude to have, but i'm more of a talker than a doer.  i'm hoping that changes.  i've recently joined my local Atheist Meetup group, and perhaps actually being around live human beings who are active will have more of an effect than the digital community of Atheists here on AN. 

Comment by John Camilli on December 22, 2011 at 12:37pm

Yeah, I thought this would get a bigger response here. Turns out most of these people just come here to bitch, and not really do anything. Go figure.

Comment by Dogly on December 17, 2011 at 11:49pm

This sure isn't an ACTIVist site, is it?  Smart people examining our navels.  Fiddling while Rome burns.

Comment by John Camilli on December 14, 2011 at 2:40pm

He won't veto it. He requested the removal of the language that exempted Americans from the effects of the legislation. The revised version includes us, so he'll sign it.

Comment by bobh on December 14, 2011 at 12:47pm

Remember all the Obama supporters who told us how wonderful it was that he was a constitutional lawyer? if he doesnt veto this threat then he is worthless as far as respecting our freedoms is concerned.

Comment by matthew greenberg on December 14, 2011 at 10:34am

i'd complain about this, but i'm afraid of being whisked away in the middle of the night on Thursday.  isn't it ironic, though, that this is being spearheaded by Conservatives who are complaining about the Liberals fascist regime?  (checks over shoulder for helicopters or a target laser)

Comment by John Camilli on December 14, 2011 at 7:09am

This bill could be signed into law as early as TODAY. Last chance to complain about it, people. Once it's signed, you'll be called a "terrorist" for complaining, and military personel will come abduct you in the middle of the night, haul you off to an internment camp and lock you away until they feel you are no longer a threat, which could just be after you die. They'll be legally allowed to torture you, even assassinate you, on mere suspicion of support of people who would use force to oppose this tyrranical government.



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