I want to memorize bible verses and quote them to people who annoy me with their religion, in a way that makes them realize what they are saying or doing goes against the bible, or to pretend to agree with something they are complaining about and that any sane person would think is bad, yet is supported by the bible. It should be easy to do, since there are so many contradictory things in the bible, and so many times when horrible things are said to be good, so I imagine there is a verse for many different situations. Kind of like the devil quoting scripture. ;-) If they respond with a contradictory verse, so much the better--that will just further prove my point.

For example, if they complain about losing a lot of money in their 401K, I say: "And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. (Matthew 19:24)"

They sit at work reading their bibles, or talk about going to bible study group, or this or that religious retreat, and I want to ask them about what they think when they get to the parts of the bible that say to be happy about killing babies (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9), encouraging rape (lots of places) and killing rape victims (Deuteronomy 22:23-24), condoning slavery (lots of places), killing witches, homosexuals, fortune-tellers, kids who talk back, etc. This strategy will be more subtle and annoying and destructive, I hope. Of course it means more work for me, but it's a little brain exercise.

Evil Bible should come in handy for this. First I need to organize some verses against subjects that come up commonly, like the money thing. If anybody has any ideas, let me know.

If I actually manage to casually slip some of these in conversation, I'll post here about it. It would be more effective if they all didn't already know I was an atheist, but it will be good practice for other situations.

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Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on February 20, 2009 at 9:59pm
Any right thinking Christian will tell you that all the Old Testament quotes don't apply anymore because god changed his mind when he became Jesus. Once his son was safely slaughtered he started a New Covenant and got Paul to renounce all the old stuff. No more penis slicing or cattle slaughter.

Ask one of these good people if the 10 commandments are no longer requred or whether these got exempted. And how about the creation stuff? Is that renounced, too?
Comment by Moonbeam on February 11, 2009 at 9:38pm
Note to self: some for later.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." (Judges 1:19)

"Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. . . . They are altogether brutish and foolish." (Jeremiah 10:2-8)

"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? . . . Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor; and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matthew 19:16-21. See also Luke 12:33)

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

"But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs from the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:11-12)

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up." (James 5:14-15)

"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." (II John 10-11)

"Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again." (Luke 6:30, repeated in Matthew 5:42)

"And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain." (Matthew 5:40-41)
Comment by Moonbeam on February 11, 2009 at 6:50pm
Here's the one I did today, in case anybody argues with a verse:

"The scripture is the god-breathed word, and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness." Timothy 3:16

(I should standardize my bible version, but oh well.)
Comment by Moonbeam on February 10, 2009 at 6:51pm
Note to self (just stole these from Dr. Meaden's blog, these will be good ones):

Luke 14:26 – hate your mother and father
Matthew 10:34/36 – he came not for peace but with a sword
Psalm 137:9 – it will make you happy to dash your little ones against a stone
Leviticus 26:29 – eat the flesh of your sons and daughters
Proverbs 28:25 – if you trust the Lord you will put on weight
Matthew 23:9 – don't call a priest, father
Deuteronomy 19:18/19 – Kill anyone who tells a lie
Exodus 35:2 – Kill anyone who works on Sunday
Leviticus 20:27 – Kill all mediums by stoning
Deuteronomy 21:18/21 – Kill a rebellious son by stoning
Leviticus 24:14/16 – Kill anyone who utters a curse by stoning."
Comment by Moonbeam on February 10, 2009 at 6:42pm
I didn't have time to learn any new verses today. I quick googled some "verses of the day" sites but they didn't seem like very useful ones. I have got the first three down pretty well, however, and am waiting for an opportunity.
Comment by Moonbeam on February 9, 2009 at 7:51pm
P.S. I know those are the easy ones that I've memorized so far. I'll get to the shellfish eating, hair-cutting, sabbath-working, etc.
Comment by Moonbeam on February 9, 2009 at 7:19pm
Thanks River Otter; I don't think I've looked at those. I'll check them out.

Oh Asa, you're spoiling my fun before I even start! ;-) I actually memorized two more today, in addition to the camel/rich man one (Leviticus 19:18 (love your neighbor) and Matthew 7:12 (golden rule). You probably know a lot of good quotes and good times to use them.

This is for fun mostly; the people I'm dealing with, I've argued with lots before, so it's nothing new, between friends really, but I'm trying to make a point to them. You and Paul Simon are probably right, but you never know, people can change.
Comment by Asa Watcher on February 9, 2009 at 12:29pm
Well, as a one-time pre ministerial student, I am a bible-quoting atheist. My advice, Moonbeam, is "forget about it. don't go to the trouble". Like all of us, when presented with something that doesn't "fit" quite right, we can remind ourselves of the Paul Simon quote from his song "The Boxer":
"A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest"

Do you have that one on your ipod, Daniel?

The most effective behavior I have found is to completely change facial expression (pick one at random), back away, turn and walk... i.e. an actual physical response. To engage them is to increase the odds of confrontation.
Comment by River Otter on February 9, 2009 at 8:04am
There are two other websites that might come in handy for this.



Also, the "God hates fags" people are from Westboro Baptist Chruch. They are a bunch of assholes.

Good luck to you with this Moonbeam. :) Keep up the good fight.
Comment by Moonbeam on February 9, 2009 at 5:52am
That's a good idea. I thought I'd memorize a few every day, but I ought to get a bunch ready like that.

I don't know if this is going to work or not. I don't know if I can do it with a straight face.



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