I have come to notice that there tend to be MANY more vegan atheists than theists per capita (at least that I have observed).

Why is that?

Could someone vegan give me the secular reasoning?

Does it have something to do with the thinking that we are no better than any other creature? Or perhaps through witnessing or reading about cruelty to animals in the processing industry?

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Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 4, 2009 at 6:26pm
Whoops *(^_^)*....I meant Gray...typing too fast.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 4, 2009 at 6:25pm
I'm so happy to hear about your rabbit, Gary. Most people think I'm nuts when I tell them about the psycho lop eared rabbit I once owned. Attacked everyone, except me...well as long as I did what she wanted.

Love animals, have 5 little dogs, 3 cats, 2 birds, and 2 teenage boys. And you're right, they all have their own personalities.
Comment by sacha on December 4, 2009 at 6:24pm
Welcome to AN, Gray.
Comment by Johnny on December 4, 2009 at 6:23pm
aw, glad you liked it Gray =) welcome to Nexus!

this is what I love about this place. we can have pure, thoughtful debates that are free from religious dogma weighing them down
Comment by Gray on December 4, 2009 at 4:54pm
Yes! Let us live among the chickens as equals....

Rudy, you're not kidding about those roosters. Brutal! Many times in my childhood I was chased by an angry rooster, spurs out, looking for blood.

I meet a lot of vegans and vegetarians who are gaga for animal rights but have never been on a farm. Interestingly, there haven't really been any of those in this thread - in fact we've been lucky to hear from several folks whose experiences with animals are what led them to reform their eating/buying habits in one way or another. I am frequently amused by the impassioned pleas for animal justice I hear from people who do not so much as own a goldfish; while I admire their conviction and of course I cannot argue with their sentiment (usually), they often misstep in their characterization of animals, or animal husbandry, in major ways.

Personally, I have found that animals often have unique personalities, likes, dislikes, tics, vendettas, and obsessions, and can in fact be immensely unpleasant neighbors, and, at times in my life, have even been deserving of the title "asshole." Fish may be cunning; fowl may be vicious; larger mammals can take on personalities so nuanced that you simply start to feel they are human. I've had a half-wolf fall asleep in my arms, and I've had a seven pound black rabbit kick my ass. I feel that, if more people lived in closer association with animals, or with farms, the dialogue about what we eat and how we eat it would be much more active, and would have many more perspectives than those we have touched on here.

Thanks to all of you for the time and energy you've put into this conversation. I've enjoyed it. Good first thread! I guess Athiest Nexus is for me. :)
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 4, 2009 at 11:47am
O.K. then, how about for wool and milk we go with a "sheep in every bedroom". O.K., that one's bad...I'll stop with the humour now.
Comment by sacha on December 4, 2009 at 11:40am
If my dog would not kill them, I'd gladly have chickens.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 4, 2009 at 11:39am
Or maybe "no chicken left behind" (^_^)
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 4, 2009 at 11:38am
Who's talking backyard? Think we should start a "chicken in every household" campaign...LOL
Comment by sacha on December 4, 2009 at 11:34am
As for humane killing, I have the same beliefs as Adriana. I think there are numerous instances when death is the humane choice.
Perhaps even more for humans that can accurately tell you that they are in too much pain to live.

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