AN, I'm sure you're all aware of these folk, but I thought I'd repost this here anyway, if for the latest on them if nothing else. Please visit me at Good Reason News if you get the chance. Thanks.

There's some talk in atheist circles that the bible, taken to it's logical conclusions, would result in more groups like the Westboro Baptist Church. These loonies, despite their somewhat innocent sounding name, are the ones you always hear about protesting solider funerals, and holding signs making declarations about what their god hates. I hate to be put in this position, but I think I have to disagree. There is probably an argument to be made that the logical conclusion is that the god of some parts of the Christian bible is an outrageously angry, spiteful and loathsome creature. But I'm unconvinced as to how this translates to a call to action.

I think there's something much deeper going on here:

Voltaire said, in case this image is gone, Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. And that's just what the Kansas based hate group wants. They're more like the natural development of a number of hate groups. Sort of a modern day KKK, who just happened to hide like cowards behind the shield of a god. And not just any god, but a god used to justify the hatred they had been taught since childhood. It's easy to be angry, but being angry with the followers of this church is like laughing at a 300 lb. man with skinny legs.

It might seem sort of OK, but when you think about it, you really have to pity them. I wish I could help them escape what must be an endless stream of hateful rage.

And it's especially sad when American Idol Adam Lambert looks like a college psychology professor next to you.

But, of course, there are Christians out there who will say something like "well, i don't agree with them, but they have the right to express their religious views." Look, when your hate group is disguised as a religious group that boarders on terrorism and clearly abuses children, you're rights trample everyone else's rights and should therefore be void.

Is the church leader Fred Phelps a terrorist, a cult leader, a hate monger, a child abuser, an attention whore? Of course, that's not even debatable.

Is he a 'true Christian?' Probably not according to anyone's standards, but it doesn't matter. Phelps brings the corrupt nature of the religion to the extreme, which is exactly what I think most in the atheist movement are trying to combat. If only our legal representatives would grow some balls and treat this hate group like it ought to be treated, as a terrorist organization who worship hatred. Just as dangerous as al-Qaida in their ideology.

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Comment by Joey on July 24, 2009 at 3:17am
Jay: That's a major problem in the US. It's like pulling teeth to get religious people here to oppose them to any real extent.
They usually agree with the gist, if not the degree to which they take it.
"Well...they may go too far...but someone needs to say it!" is the general attitude.
It loosely translates into "I don't think we should stone gay people or picket their funerals. We should just strip them of all their rights and make sure they don't get uppity again."
Comment by Billy Deaton on July 23, 2009 at 2:46pm
Shamar, that's exactly what i'm saying i disagree with.
Comment by Shamar on July 23, 2009 at 11:47am
The funny thing is...these WBC people are actually more honestly following the bible than any moderate Christian, lol
Comment by JayBarti on July 23, 2009 at 9:42am
As a Canadian I was completely unaware of the WBC until I joined up here.
I find the existence of the WBC, highlights the problem with the moderates of Christianity that say oh we are not like them. If they really cared about their image as Christians they should be shouting down these fools from the roof tops and re-taking back what they believe is the way Christianity should be. The inability to clean up their own back yards simply places them in the same camp, and shows the true face of what Christianity is about exclusion and control.
Comment by Billy Deaton on July 23, 2009 at 12:03am
Yes, I'm aware of Nate too, in fact, I think he may have been on a fairly recent Chariots of Iron podcast. Originally I posted this on my blogspot, and I almost didn't post it here, because I know it may be an insult to some members' intelligence, but I've been noticing an influx of younger members, plus a recent item in the news about WBC.

Thanks, Kristy.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on July 22, 2009 at 11:47pm
Not only are we aware of them, Nate Phelps is a member here - he doesn't take after his dear old Dad, of course.



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