Jacob, our humble expert in biological sciences, seems to be rather reluctant to address the issues brought up in response to his second posting. Here is what he came up with.

# jacob Says:

To sum up ALL OF THIS…….

‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’

(Abraham to the rich man, Luke 16:31)

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That one was just too good to miss.

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The context of this verse is as follows:

19″There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22″The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25″But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27″He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29″Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30″ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31″He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

Abraham is depicted as someone who lacks appropriate compassion and god is depicted as someone who rewards poverty and punishes riches with no regard for how the person lived in any other respect. Neither of these characters come out well in the light of today’s civilized standards of morality.

This parable is reputed to have been told by Jesus. It is not the only time when Jesus tells his followers that they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven if they are rich. Do you recall his statement that it is more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle? Do you recall that Jesus commanded his followers to sell everything, live as a poor person and stop thinking about where their next meal will come from?

What is your reason for failing to carry out these commands?

What is your reason for failing to carry out all the commands which “Moses and the Prophets” insisted were the direct word of the Yahweh god? Are you even aware that there were many more than “ten commandments” delivered to Moses while he was up there waiting for god to chisel some of them on stone. Which ones do you choose to follow: the first set or the second set?

According to the Bible, no-one but Moses ever saw the first set which god chiseled because Moses threw them on the ground and smashed them when he got to the bottom of the mountain and found his tribe worshipping an idol of some other god. Then he broke the “thou shalt no kill” commandment by ordering his soldiers to slaughter all the worshippers in an disgustingly bloodthirsty manner.

By the time he got back up the mountain god had forgotten what he wrote previously and so the next set of the “top ten” is different. There is also a whole heap of other commandments which include instructions to stone your children if they do not show you respect, how to sell your daughter into slavery, permission to beat your slave to within an inch of his life provided that he lives for at least three days after the beating, and a prohibition on wearing any garment made of a mixture of threads (no more cotton polyester shirts for you).

Explain to me, if you can, how you decide which of these commandments you should keep and which you should not? If you are not homeless and insolvent, why not? If you have not participated in the stoning of insolent children, why not? If you eat shell fish, why? If you have not abandoned your family, why not? If you believe that it is OK to kill someone if your country commands you to, why?

You really should read your Bible more thoroughly.

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Comment by Rich Goss on August 29, 2009 at 10:51am
Didn't Moses order hundreds of countrymen to be killed for worshiping a golden calf?

For the life of me I can't understand how people are goofy and gullible enough to believe these weird stories.

Suppose we were there when the lord raised Lazarus (from the dead.) I’d say, “Hey, neat trick. How’d you do it?”

And Jesus answered, “I am the Lord Thy God. I can do anything.”

I’d be taken aback. “Yeh, right. In that case, how about benefitting humanity by your miraculous incarnation? The fact is, over the next two millennia, your visit to Earth will be the cause of immeasurable wars and suffering—including men and women burned at the stake. If we mortals are going to put up with this bullshit, how about letting people get something out of it, okay?”

“Sorry, people have free will. You choose your destiny. You’re the ones who choose to go to war.”

“Yeh, right. You had nothing to do with it. What a chicken shit copout



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