Why Smart People Feel Frustrated and Displaced

Ok, get ready to fuss at me for being a jerk....

The average IQ score is 100, with a standard deviation of 15 points. This makes the normal range from 85 to 115. One more standard deviation on either end, from 70 to 130, encompasses dull normal and bright normal. Anything below two standard deviations, or <69, is considered mentally retarded. Anything above two standard deviations, or >130, is considered gifted. 95% of the general population has IQs that fall between 70 and 130. 2.5% fall within the mental retardation range and 2.5% fall within the gifted range.

"Normals" don't typically hang out and socialize with mentally retarded folks. "Normals" find mentally retarded folks frustrating and boring. Historically, normal folks have treated people with mental retardation pretty horribly (institutions, torture, extermination, ridicule, etc.). Imagine how angry and frustrated the normal population would feel if the world's politics, religious institutions, laws, social norms and commerce were all primarily maintained by the mentally retarded!

Now consider this, gifted individuals are intellectually as far from normal people, as normal people are from the mentally retarded! Being gifted and living in a world run by normals is exactly like being normal in a world run by people with mental retardation!

Can you imagine being of normal IQ and trying to argue politics or religion with a mentally retarded person who is incapable of comprehending your standards for logic and rational thought? It is the same for gifted people who debate normal people. Except, that the normals represent such a HUGE majority that their opinions are considered valid! The majority of the populous operates from same crude belief system... "Because we all agree, we must be right."

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Comment by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 11:03pm
LMAO! Thanks :-D
Comment by Johnny on October 29, 2009 at 10:46pm
oh... thats weird... all the times I have seen someone accused of that I would never use the 2nd definition you provided.

People like Rusty here and me in other places may seem like trolls just because they don't agree with what they say or because they want to find holes in opposite opinions, but I wouldn't say its just to make other people look like idiots... that doesn't make any sense to me, though I understand the psychology behind why someone would.

I do things like that to solidify my own understanding so that I can take my knowledge to new places. In fact, I seek out smarter people to "troll" on so that I can test their reasoning and see if they are people with a legitimate intellectual perspective to debate with so that I can try and follow their process. In fact, I'd rather do things like that because I want these educated people to make me look like the idiot with a well-reasoned debate. You can't learn by simply picking on people.
Comment by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 6:38pm
Thanks Nerd ;-)

Ok, I';m definitely NOT a troll. I am an atheist to the bones and my primary purpose here is to connect, not make fools of people.
Comment by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 5:48pm
Thanks for positives. The first folks to go in an oppressive political regime are the intellectuals. Intellectuals are a threat to dogmatic propaganda.

I often bring up personal theories in class with the hopes that my students cvan shoot holes in them. Iron transforms to steel under heat and theories come closer to truth under logical criticism.
Comment by Johnny on October 29, 2009 at 4:59pm
I also have been really confused about what is so bad about trolling. It seems rather theist to me when someone brings up a point "for the sake of argument" to resent it.

We atheists are those who encourage examining all sides of a problem, are we not? The definition given here for trolling (sorry, Nerd the link you posted didnt work for me) didn't really seem wrong for me. When the purpose is to provoke a debate and not to piss someone off, what's wrong with it?
Comment by Johnny on October 29, 2009 at 4:33pm
Skimming through the comments, I saw the point that the 2.5% weren't directly descriminated.

Intelligence may be valued in culture, but culture does plenty to suppress it. In the United States, for example, the intelligent are more likely to fall behind in school than those who fall in the 2 std deviation spread. This is because the public school system here caters directly to the majority without adequate attention to gifted minds, especially in elementry school.

Now... whether or not anything can or should be done about that I don't know. I just know the fact I encountered and not the arguments for/against the problem besides those that I infer myself.

Another example I know much more about is religion, though don't we all. Religion is probably the most cruel and oppressive system known to mankind and the intellectuals are right in the crosshairs. The smart kid who had a hard time feeling Jesus and believing the Bible in "Jesus Camp" was a good example. Absolutely brutal.
Comment by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 4:07pm
Dana, maybe it was just an exercise in empathy, however poorly executed ;-)
Comment by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 3:58pm
Sorry John, your responses have been %100 thoughtful and respectful. Regarding indignation, I was really speaking more to human nature than to anyone specific.

I also agree with you about the Christian concepts of absolute good and evil. My goal is really to evaluate all ideas as objectively as I can. I love hippies and I love bikers. I agree more with liberals than I do conservatives. But, I am cautious not to allow my desire to find a comfortable niche to influence my objectivity. I think emotional fervor is dangerous whether it comes from the Left or the Right.

Anger tends to create black and white thinking. I disagree with bigots and bullies of all sorts, but if I demonize an individual because I find his/her beliefs repulsive, then we polarize and nothing changes.
Comment by Lois Lane on October 29, 2009 at 3:46pm
The need for accommodation is a bit different from the question of whether there's discrimination, though there is some overlap. Not providing a needed accommodation is a form of discrimination, for example.

Can you clarify whether you were really interested in exploring issues for smart people or if you were just using them as an example of an elite group?

I think many people realize that even being a member of an elite group can have pitfalls. Wealthy, famous or very beautiful people can question if anyone really loves them for who they are. (Consider the late Michael Jackson, for example.) Very intelligent people can feel frustrated at not having intellectual companionship or being fully appreciated by the people around them.
Comment by Edward Teach on October 29, 2009 at 3:26pm
Dana, Hmmm... I wonder. I don't know that smart folks are discriminated against. Maybe the point is just the observation that a sense of "not fitting in" is inherent to minority status... even when discrimination is not present.

I guess the only accomodation I could come up with is to connect with others like you. We have a strong deaf community where I live. I think it feels good to hook up with folks who can relate to your situation regardless of what it is.

Maybe that's why movie stars tend to date each other ;-)



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