Thanks for the welcome, Loren. I agree that there's nothing wrong with fantasy for fun. Unfortunately, the line between fantasy and delusion seems very thin, and people often cross that line without realizing it. One example is the admirer who becomes a stalker. Another is the "casual Christian" (which I once was, having been raised that way) who becomes an evangelical.
Thanks for the welcome Loren,Greetings to all from New Zealand, it's currently 7.45 am Monday morning....so if you want to know the future???? just ask me :-). oh and by the way....jesus is coming....its pissing down with rain here at the moment....see infalible proof, anyone got a towel?
i look forward to learning more of Dan Barker and Jerry De Witt.
"on this statement: but rarely are they utterly reversed upon admittance of further data."
I didn't make a statement that they do.
An unfortunate fact is that many people still believe in Gowd and the Lowered Jesus Christ because of that it's a good idea to know how believers think.
I didn't think of the word 'Truth' the way Raza presented it until I listened to him.
Consider it a way to understand, if possible The POTUSs Donald Trumps truthor Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) truth
Mitch McConnel, Paul Ryan. The list goes on and on.
They all have access to the same facts as every one else.
Their Truth is different
They and others propose wealth re-distribution to the top 1% will help the economy and U.S.
There is no evidence it will.
Are they delusional? No. They know what it's about.
Is the public who subscribes to the notion of trickle up economic theory delusional?
Pragmatically the R's such as McConnell and Ryan are doing a great job "For themselves and donors." The votors are too ignorant because of the terrible news media available to be able to make informed descisions at the voting booth. Also because media outlets are nothing other than entertainment with a bunch of political speculators rather than Ambassadors, and University professors or INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS many don't have enough information to vote.
Truth is what someone believes in regardless, or contrary to the the facts. Evolution and climate change denial for example. WMD's in Iraq justified the war may be another truth. Jesus was a raal person who was born from a virgin and was killed by the Roman empire for being a revolutianary. After Jesus's death he rose to heaven and took all the other dead people (throught history and across the little world) with him into heaven Because of Jesus' sacrafice everyone is absolved of original sin.
Original Sin, or coarse meands god didn't make human't correctly in the first place..
All of that religious nonsense is about 'Truth."
Aesops fables are about truth as well. People fortunately, or unfortunately don't take Aesop as serious as limited Abrahamic texts put in the Bible, or Coined in the Koran.
A myth may teach a valuable lesson, such as Aesop's Fables without having any basis in reality. The lesson may be true, but that's as far as it goes. Aron Ra offers the following definitions:
Fact: A point of data which is either not in dispute, or is indisputable in that it is objectively verifiable.
Truth: Any statement which has been or can readily be shown to actually be true. Personal testimony, conviction, conjecture, or speculation can turn out to be true, and may even be accepted as true whenever objection seems unwarranted, but no statement should be classed as ‘truth’ until examined and vindicated.
A fact may be said to be an element of "The Truth," and again, Aron has a position on this matter which I find on point:
If you don't care what the facts are, then you don't care what the truth is. -- Aron Ra