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At 8:42am on March 26, 2020, Alexander Betser said…

Thank you

At 2:57pm on November 16, 2019, Patricia said…

Ok, I'll have to find it again.

At 6:13pm on June 30, 2019, Patricia said…

At 6:05pm on June 30, 2019, Patricia said…

Hahahahaha.....these senile moments ya know.........

At 5:09pm on June 30, 2019, Patricia said…

No, I was being a smartass on the quote thing about your hearing crickets in the silence, so I just said I'd lost my hearing as I wasn't hearing any protestations either.

At 4:22pm on June 28, 2019, Tori Gillen said…

Haha, thank you!

At 5:15pm on May 6, 2019, Bobby said…

Thanks Loren,

I managed to retire early a few months ago after 30 plus years designing avionics. It's funny but most of my coworkers were theists. Hard for me to understand why, LOL

At 5:29am on March 23, 2019, Chris said…


 Why aren't there more senators such ad Daniel Moyanahan who was more of an engineeer/scientist vs a lawyer  politician type?


At 6:06pm on January 31, 2019, Ronnie said…
Thank you for greeting loren
At 7:39am on August 18, 2018, Bexs said…

thanks for the welcome....

At 12:18am on April 24, 2018, Prasenjit Konar said…

Namaste...Thank you so much!

At 12:05pm on April 23, 2018, Jim Gardner said…

Thanks..Glad I found this site..

At 1:46pm on April 8, 2018, Vine said…
Thanks for the welcome, Loren. I agree that there's nothing wrong with fantasy for fun. Unfortunately, the line between fantasy and delusion seems very thin, and people often cross that line without realizing it. One example is the admirer who becomes a stalker. Another is the "casual Christian" (which I once was, having been raised that way) who becomes an evangelical.
At 12:48pm on February 18, 2018, shane clark said…

Thanks for the welcome Loren,Greetings to all from New Zealand, it's currently 7.45 am Monday morning....so if you want to know the future???? just ask me :-).  oh and by the way....jesus is coming....its pissing down with rain here at the moment....see infalible proof, anyone got a towel?

 i look forward to learning more of Dan Barker and Jerry De Witt.


all the best people, keep up the good work

best regards shane

At 6:13pm on January 9, 2018, Chris said…

Great quote Loren.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
-- Upton Sinclair

At 7:53pm on January 4, 2018, Dyslexic's DOG said…

Hi Loren,

Thanks for asking to be my friend.

I may stick around a little longer on A/N this time.

Last time I got overwhelmed by attacking Trump supporters since he started his run for presidency, but now I've settled down a bit, but still have fun stirring them up. :-D   

Thanks M8!  

At 9:32am on December 26, 2017, Chris said…


I agree with every thing you are saying.

"on this statement: but rarely are they utterly reversed upon admittance of further data."

I didn't make a statement that they do.

An unfortunate fact is that many people still believe in Gowd and the Lowered Jesus Christ because of that it's a good idea to know how believers think.

I didn't think of the word 'Truth' the way Raza presented it until I listened to him. 

Consider it a way to understand, if possible The POTUSs Donald Trumps  truthor Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) truth

Mitch McConnel,  Paul Ryan.  The list goes on and on.

They all have access to the same facts as every one else.

Their Truth is different

They and others propose wealth re-distribution to the top 1%  will help the economy and U.S.

There is no evidence it will.

Are they delusional? No.   They know what it's about.

Is the public who subscribes to the notion of  trickle up economic theory delusional?


Pragmatically the R's such as McConnell and Ryan are doing a great job "For themselves and donors." The votors are too ignorant because of  the terrible news media available to be able to make informed descisions at the voting booth. Also because media outlets are nothing other than entertainment with a bunch of political speculators rather than Ambassadors, and University professors or INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS  many don't have enough information to vote.

That's the goal isn't it?

At 8:43am on December 26, 2017, Chris said…

Facts change with new scientific evidence.

Truth is what someone believes in regardless, or contrary  to the the facts. Evolution and climate change denial for example. WMD's in Iraq justified the war may be another truth.  Jesus was a raal person who was born from a virgin and was killed by the Roman empire for being a revolutianary.  After Jesus's death he rose  to heaven and took all the other dead people (throught history and across the little world) with him into heaven Because of Jesus' sacrafice everyone is absolved of original sin. 

Original Sin, or coarse meands god didn't make human't correctly in the first place..

All of that religious nonsense is about 'Truth." 

Aesops fables are about truth as well.  People fortunately, or unfortunately  don't take Aesop as  serious as limited Abrahamic texts put in the Bible, or Coined in the Koran.

At 10:06am on December 25, 2017, Chris said…


Comment by Loren Miller 2 hours ago

A myth may teach a valuable lesson, such as Aesop's Fables without having any basis in reality.  The lesson may be true, but that's as far as it goes.  Aron Ra offers the following definitions:

  • Fact: A point of data which is either not in dispute, or is indisputable in that it is objectively verifiable.
  • Truth: Any statement which has been or can readily be shown to actually be true. Personal testimony, conviction, conjecture, or speculation can turn out to be true, and may even be accepted as true whenever objection seems unwarranted, but no statement should be classed as ‘truth’ until examined and vindicated.

A fact may be said to be an element of "The Truth," and again, Aron has a position on this matter which I find on point:

If you don't care what the facts are, then you don't care what the truth is.
-- Aron Ra

At 9:48pm on December 9, 2017, Yaphet K. Graham said…

Hello Loren, thanks for the greeting. Sorry it took a bit to answer, relatives were over and we were having a good time while freezing our buns off.



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