oh wow Tom!!
haha its crazy hearing about dear park sounds like you know exactly what im around.. haha anyways how about you? i see your in redlands.. did you go to LLU?
BTW: you should check out the dave larson class (the sabbath school class that deconverted me...) if you haven't already. its in the LLU church bulletin. i believe they meet in one of the conference rooms of coleman pavilion. some of the UC professors attend, so odds are you wont be the only atheist in the room.
hey, enjoy. their album is great, while i liked great cold distance for the individual songs contained therein, and the great production values, and the increase in the tightness of the music in general, I like their new album for different reasons. It is best to listen to the album in it's true form, from front to back, the songs really inform each other, and as a result the album in it's holistic form truly works for me.
Your 3 points were great. I feel the same way. What books do you recommend as an atheist trade-off? I haven't read much, due to mostly reading vet stuff and science stuff for work. What would be your top pick?
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree. I'm starting to consider how to get this done with the least conflict possible. I have encouraged many friends to come out as gay through a letter/writing, That is something I am considering.
Does the fact that they send you religious materials and such irritate you at all? It has always bugged me. Especially when the stuff is so ridiculous and simplistic. One pamphlet actually quoted some words from an Alabama song! At times like that, I am not offended because I am an atheist, I am offended because I am an intelligent, educated person.
Thanks again for the input. I will let you know how it goes. I am due a trip home in the next month or two. Fun!
Thanks for your story. I predict that I, too, will be getting lots of books and tapes once I tell them. I have the complication that my only sibling died last year. I am the end of the line, and the only thing my parents have to dote on. Oh, and my brother was REALLY religious. I know they will be disappointed, but if I want to regain a healthy (relatively) relationship with them, I think it is necessary.
Funny you should meantion Tool, I was about to look into them more tonight. I remember I liked their song "Schizm" from hearing it on the radio in the 1990's but forgot a lot from back then. Thanks for the reminder, LOL.
I suppose I posted to the gay atheist forum because being gay is really hard on young people who really believe that they are some kind of abomination. I can understand that this topic is relevant to you, too, and I understand that all kids can be scarred by religion. Being straight doesn't make it easy, but I can tell you, being gay makes it pretty damn shitty.
If you would like to engage this topic, post it somewhere and let me know where. I would love to see what people have to say, and I would like to hear your story.
Also, does your family know about your atheism? I think my closetedness in regard to it are making the resentment not go away. Just a thought.
Hi, some music I like: Dream Theater, Renaissance, Porcupine Tree, Orphaned Land, Symphony X, Glass Hammer, Queensryche, Kansas, I'm always looking for more music too although being financially challenged I kind of just end up with whatever people give me. Also Delicious Agony is a good internet prog station. Disclaimer: I know I am not the authority on all things prog, but it is one of my favorite music types:)
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