Thanks, I am really new to using the internet for 1-on-1 interactions with other people but I will see if I can successfully open up a debate/discussion about it. My grandmother is in failing health and it has taken quite a toll on me. I am glad that I found this place when I did because I can use all of the friends I can muster. My grandparents were really my "parents" growing up so it is my first real test of this spirituality stuff. My views are non-negotiable, but it has been difficult to deal with the deep emotions of the people in my family especially when it comes to their faith in this particular circumstance.
My grandmother is a staunch methodist and derives great comfort from her church community. I, in no way want to take anything away from that with her. I am in a position where I need to escort her to these functions so I can keep an eye on the complex machinery she has to tote around. I am extremely protective of her and don't trust anyone else to be as thorough as I am with her well-being. Again, not that I am a genius or anything, but I am a Biologist and while I don't hold a medical degree, I certainly feel that I am just as educated. I am a science junkie.
I appreciate having a place where I can "offload" to people that I barely know. Sadly, my wife, kids and even my parents are not in a position where I can speak honestly about my feelings regarding the situation. I simply cannot "sugar coat" anything to myself with the hopes of getting some sort of comfort. I appreciate that they are able to comfort themselves with the notions that "god is in control," and "she is going to a much better place." I have prepared myself for a long time to deal with just such an occasion, but it still doesn't make it any easier.
So if I ramble incessantly or fume with harsh language I apologize in advance, but I need an outlet somewhere. I can't wait to delve into this website and get to know people. FINALLY I have found a place where I can talk with like-minded individuals.
Greetings, I am so excited that I have stumbled on this community. I was hoping that you might assist me in my quest to figure out WHY people people believe what they do. I know all about indoctrination during childhood. But I am looking for some good hard scientific data that points to aspects of "nature vs. nurture" as it relates to belief. For decades I have documented my own theories, but I want to wipe the slate clean and see if I can get a fresh perspective. Since my earliest memories (probably around five) I can remember always having a sense that something wasn't quite right about what the "grown ups" around me were doing in church. I don't put much stock in IQ when it comes to questions of faith, but I have to have had SOMETHING that caused my "bullshit meter" to always be set on high. My grandparents were Baptist and we went to church every sunday, but I can never remember a time when I saw it as anything more than just another "story." It was something that was very difficult for me as a child, but got easier as I approached my age of reason. There has to some type of correlative data out there that shines some light on this. I am very excited to have found like minded people as I often feel like I am going to crawl out of my skin. Even in my sixteen year marriage it is still a topic that my wife won't discuss. Thanks again for your kindness, I look forward to joining fellow explorers.
Thanks so much for your welcoming words. I feel like I have found a giant breath of fresh air that I have been seeking for a very long time. It is so hard to be the only person that holds a particular point of view on a subject as personal as religion. I have been "blowing off steam" in the you tube "comment land" to try to maintain some sanity. I have met some awesome people and look forward to being a part of this community. Thanks again. Chris Carroll
A very happy birthday, Terry! I hope you are with people you love and who love you, doing what you to do best, and finding joy and peace on this day and every day.
Your site, ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN, provides a fertile ground for us to share old and new information on the origins of life. May we be instrumental in maintaining and perpetuating our beautiful Earth and empowering those who take action to preserve our precious planet upon which we thrive.
Awesome. I joined the group. I also joined Montgomery Alabama Freethinking Association and meet for the first time tomorrow.
I really do need to periodically talk to people such as members of this group and MAFA. I try to be a nice guy and when people with faith approach me, but it's getting to me.
I'm finishing the book by Peter Boghossian for the 2nd time just so I can learn the tools for these confrontations.
I've been an atheist for about 10 years now, but never was around faith believing people as much as I am now. It didn't bother like it does now. I want people to think. When I'm at church, I look around and it's very disturbing seeing the preacher spew a speech that suckers everyone in so that church membership is high and so he has a job.
Now I have a desire to fight it, but it a nice way.
Apologies for the late reply Terry and thanks for your warm welcome.
So many topics to choose from there but I'll make my way around as many as I can. Fascinating stuff too. I've been searching for a community like this for a long time and stumbled upon the link a few weeks ago. A very happy accident indeed.
Thank you for the warm welcome! I hope to enjoy conversations and community with fellow non-religionists, non-superstituous types of people. I'm fairly new as a non-theist and yet have been open-minded for many years, searching, thinking, rationalizing of course, and then realizing, "Wow, those are just fairy tales old people made up. Like Santa Claus, whom I never had a close personal relationship with.
I'm too busy for any official groups at this moment, but hanging out sounds easy enough.
Thanks Terence. I don't really see me becoming an Atheist any more then me becoming a Christian :) LOL...
If anything, I am more leaning towards Pagan/Wiccan, but there to lacks lots of proof. The subject that mostly irritated me about the comments the other night was how several people were so quick to put down others. I tried to explain myself and they just kept getting meaner.
As a child I was forced into the Mormon Cult. My family bought this house and I had to sleep in the basement. I would see these apparitions and explain them to my parents. They of course would say they were Satan messengers and were there to test my faith. This was a one time thing either. The one set that I would see appeared to be old pilgrims, and they would knee in the corner and pray. Granted myself and my two sisters felt other presents down there and they were not peaceful. But the prilgrims were not bad, they needed help. As I grew and got older I had other things happen. But I quickly learned that what religion was telling me and what I was finding were two totally different things. I do strongly believe in earth bound trapped spirits and people having energy. And this energy sometimes get left behind. That there are both good and bad spirits. Does this make any sense or am I rambling to the wrong person again?
Sorry Terence, but I am thinking I joined the wrong group. I was watching the chat on the main room and someone commented about believing in ghosts. I commented that I believed in ghosts/aperitions/spirtits and several members got flat out ignorant about it. My first thought was just to delete from this place, but then I thought I would wait to hear from people that have sent me messages.