Thanks Terry! I will explore the many groups this weekend. One thing I am trying to find and have not found thus far, is a group for atheist parents. My daughter can't seem to figure out why so many of the kids at her new school are always talking about who's going to hell! :) Maybe I will find a group like that here. Thanks for the info!
Thanks! I'm excited about being on the site!! I'm looking for a community of people that share the idea that you can be good and ethical without any kind of god. I just can't stand the holier-than-thou church people that constantly say everything is in god's plan. My mom has been sick and suffering for the past 20 years....how exactly is *that* a good plan??? I love to hear them try to rationalize it.
Ok, off my soapbox, haha. Thanks for the welcome. I look forward to many good discussions!
THANKS FOR YOUR WELCOMING GREETING . I LOOK FORWARD TO JOINING THE ORIGINS DISCUSSIONS ; THOUGH I SEE IN THE TOPICS WE ARE DRAWN INTO MORE DISCUSSIONS OF THE FANTASIES OF THE SUPERSTITION CULTS . ITS A BIT LIKE ROUND EARTH PROPONENTS DISCUSSING THE TYPES OF DRAGONS AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD AND WHETHER YOU FALL DOWN OR GET INVERTED AS YOU GO OFF THE EDGE .
I HAVE JUST SEEN A DR ON CNN SAYING HE WAS AT A CLINIC WITH 1 OTHER DR . HE APPARENTLY SURVIVED EBOLA . HE ATTRIBUTES HIS RECOVERY TO ASPIRIN AND PRAYER . HE CALLED IT A MIRACLE . I SUGGEST HE HAS A GENETICLY SUPERIOR IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR EBOLA . THE CDC SHOULD PRESERVE HIS BLOOD AND SEED AS A HEDGE AGAINST A PANDEMIC . OR THE GATES' FOUNDATION MIGHT CONSIDER FINANCING A PROGRAM WHERE HE WOULD FATHER SEVERAL HUNDRED CHILDREN ON ALL CONTINENTS AS ONE EFFORT AGANST EXTINCTION .
Thanks for the warm welcome. I’m sure I’ll find AN interesting and educational, and I hope I can contribute something as well.
I recall when I was about 15, that was in 1952, walking home at night along a lonely stretch of railroad track and looking up at the dark, star filled sky and wondering about the who, why and what of God. Even at that young age I did not believe everything that I was taught, especially things that did not make sense to me. WWII was still fresh in current memory, and Christianity and Judaism were topics of conversation and concern, and the role and activity of a supernatural creator God was the drumbeat of church and Sunday school What made the most sense to me on that night was that the God and religion that I knew at that time seemed most likely to be the invention of humanity rather than a supernatural creation of God. Nothing that the pastor said or that was taught in Sunday school contradicted my thoughts, I had no supernatural visitation by holy spirits or angels and what I learned in science classes over the years cemented my early opinion that religion was of human origin. Religion and humanity has always been a topic of great interest and concern to me.
Now in my later years, I am putting much of my thoughts into writing. I have one book that will soon be published as a free ebook. I’m not fully competent with internet forum conventions , haven’t done a lot of that, so I’m not sure of what is allowed and what is not, I guess it varies. But I would like to offer the book to get opinions and feedback and this may be a good place to do so. I’m not sure if I can put the following into a post, and if so where should it be put.
Despite rejection and even persecution It is very important for nontheists to think, study, and write with reason and purpose about the folly and absurdity of historical and present day religion. It is also important to do this by planting a seed, and not by trying to cut down a forest with a chain saw.
Exposing religion as irrational figments of ancient and current human imaginations that attempt to fulfill a desire to extend life into supernatural realms is, basically, a quixotic quest. Despite the sheer illogical and unfounded beliefs that compose religion, and the blatant extortion of money, talent, worship, coercion, and worse, that supports religious organizations, people still flock to the star, the cross, and the crescent. When confronted with the irrationality of supernatural beliefs, some choose not to think it through, and for cultural reasons, maintain a mental curtain of acceptance of belief knowing that rejection of religious belief would result, at best, in expulsion from the community that supports their life and family. Others vehemently reject the reality that observation, analysis, and reason provide; and give credence and voice to irrational, erroneous, and impossible explanations that confirm their emotion based supernatural beliefs.
It is usually, almost always, counterproductive to rail against a strongly held emotional belief with negativity and derision despite the rationality of the argument. Although it is necessary and essential to argue with reason and science against illogical belief, it would be good to have a positive alternative that may lessen the the loss of an impossible, eternal, supernatural existence. I have made an attempt at doing this. I wrote a small book, about 40,000 words, titled “Preserving the Essence of Human Life”, soon to be published as a free ebook. If you have an interest, send me a request and I would be happy to email a PDF of the book.
Dear Doctor's Meaden: The subject matter that most concerns me is the overreaching activity by the state which is sometimes couched in .religious. context or as if some sanctity exists due to an inherently religious concern exists, insofar as preserving wrongful convictions, esp. For instance, an atmosphete exists, although not always openly discussed, as to the certainty that "god" has spoken when the state achieves a coviction-infirm or corruptly maintained and therefore should not be disturbed under any conditions. This same bias exists tpwards anti-abortionists to a large degree still, as we see acess to those services diminished greatly , esp. in the southern us. My interests lie in dialogue-ing with those of similar political /philosophical kind-those searching to live a god-free existenceso that human liberty may be more comprehensively addressed. Thank you fpr your consideration.
So very grateful for your warm invitation-I certainly look forward to following up on your suggestion, too. The essence of a group/individual is something we can percieve without the need for dogma or a diety. Please stay in touch. Thank you again for your welcoming correspondence.
Many thanks for the welcome. Living in Poland with it's almost exclusively Catholic population, I don't have problems with creationists, 'The (Polish) Pope said evolution is true, so it must be true.' I'll definitely have a look around the origins forum though.