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Decoding Jesus: Separating man from myth (CNN - John Blake)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 16, 2017. 6 Replies

Timothy Freke was flipping through an old academic book when he came across a religious image that some would call obscene. It was a drawing of a third-century amulet depicting a naked man nailed to…Continue

Tags: Richard Carrier, Robert Price, mythicist, Jesus

World of Batsh!t - #7: Gravity (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 10, 2016. 3 Replies

Oh, dear ... CoolHardLogic has found another one!  We now have "B S Detector," a flat-earther holding forth on why he's right and everyone else is wrong.  This particular scientific "genius" seems to…Continue

Tags: Einstein, gravity, Dunning-Kruger, CoolHardLogic

World of Batshit - #6: Sphereless (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Feb 15, 2016. 2 Replies

The flying mouse feces spreaders are BACK ... and CoolHardLogic has GOT 'em!  This time he's got some wingnut named Jeranism, who seems to think that there are no spheroidal objects in outer space,…Continue

Tags: Tycho Brahe, parallax, sphere, batshit, Dunning-Kruger

David Silverman – Fighting God & Firebrand Atheism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 7, 2016. 58 Replies

I love David Silverman. Why? Because he has the brass cojones to call a spade a spade, he doesn't soften his approach and he doesn't back down.  Recently, in Zurich, Switzerland, David gave a talk on…Continue

Tags: firebrand atheism, Fighting God, David Silverman


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I'm a semi-retired electrical engineer who has a rather eclectic background, never mind a few miles on the odometer. I suppose I was an "apatheist" for quite a while - largely indifferent to the whole issue of gods - but after 9/11 and the more blatant appearance of evangelicals and Dominionists on the scene, my atheism has finally come to the fore.

Other interests include high-end stereo and home theater (and with that, CD and DVD collecting), BMWs and general car enthusiasm, single-malt whisky and biking.

I flatter myself that I know my way around Atheist Nexus at least reasonably well (I've been here since November of 2009), so if you need a hand with something, please don't hesitate to give a shout.

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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
""God is in control," eh?  If that is, in fact, the case, then why would anyone worship a being who would subject the world the the kind of mad, inhuman suffering and us-vs-them struggles, all while failing to show the least hint of…"
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Joan Denoo commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Bertold, that powerful statement of Nelle Smith reveals the terrible truth of the religious fervor that underlies these current political and religious times.  "I partnered with neuroscientists, who used MRI to compare the…"
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Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"But every extreme idea gets its DNA from a more legitimate idea—usually from one that is innocuous on the surface—and even mainstream evangelicalism is saturated with ideas and narratives that enable a certain apathy toward the human…"
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Loren Miller replied to Joan Denoo's discussion Christianity Founded by a Murderer in the group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"It would seem as though Constantine was as credulous in his day as the sheep of today are.  He swallowed the pablum offered by the officiants of the church then to salve his guilt, and in return effectively gave them Carte Blanche.  In so…"
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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"I am now convinced that children should not be subjected to the frightfulness of the Christian religion [...]. If the concept of a father who plots to have his own son put to death is presented to children as beautiful and as worthy of…"
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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"I'm an engineer and a troubleshooter and a pragmatist, and that can be painful.  "That power supply is near-impossible to remove from the frame, but it's failed, and it has to go if you want your device to work." …"
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Patricia commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"The roman catholic church began its real career with the christian emperor Constantine, who hanged his father-in-law, strangled his brother-in-law, murdered his nephew, beheaded his eldest son, and killed his wife. -------Mangasar Magurditch…"
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"What I have a problem with is not so much religion or god, but faith. When you say you believe something in your heart and therefore you can act on it, you have completely justified the 9/11 bombers. You have justified Charlie Manson. If it's…"
Loren Miller commented on sacha's group No Nonsense
"Regarding that piece in The Tennesseean, do you suppose the proposed monument would also memorialize miscarriages and ova that failed to implant in the uterus ... or do you think it's more meant as a scold to those who have had the unmitigated…"
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Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty nice godless heathen [grin!].  There's participation from people in his community, believing and not, as well as a bit of backstory on Jerry, where he's been and where he is now.I think it's worth your time.See More
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"[sigh] In the immortal words of that great philosopher and Gryffindor, Hermione Granger:What.  An.  Idiot."
Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Ugandan President Wants To Ban Oral SexApril 18, 2018 by Michael Stone Patheos Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, a conservative evangelical Christian, wants to ban oral sex because “the mouth is for eating, not for sex.”"
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time goes on.-- Neil deGrasse TysonAnd while I think about that one, here's a poser: when is the last time religion made a…"
Joan Denoo commented on Loren Miller's blog post Krauss, Silverman, and Feet of Clay
"Michael, I like Silverman's style, too. The Firebrand form of thinking appeals to my nature and to be strong, firm, decisive, and confrontational matches my energy level. I confess to being angry, and it shows. I will leave the street…"
Grinning Cat commented on Loren Miller's blog post Krauss, Silverman, and Feet of Clay
""...hostility exists as an ever-present challenge for feminism as with racism. They both suffer profound harm because of the teachings of the bible." Agreed, Joan! I see the Bible, and patriarchal religions in general, as symptoms (and…"
Michael Penn commented on Loren Miller's blog post Krauss, Silverman, and Feet of Clay
"I am quite well aware that many say atheists approach religion too condescendingly with strong words that only drive the religious away. Personally I like the militant atheism of David Silverman and others. I do not handle the religious with kid…"
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Joan, relating to your experience with your grandchildren: If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.-- John F. KennedyThe poor make some uncomfortable, because they are a reminder that anyone may be…"

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At 1:46pm on April 8, 2018, Vine said…
Thanks for the welcome, Loren. I agree that there's nothing wrong with fantasy for fun. Unfortunately, the line between fantasy and delusion seems very thin, and people often cross that line without realizing it. One example is the admirer who becomes a stalker. Another is the "casual Christian" (which I once was, having been raised that way) who becomes an evangelical.
At 12:48pm on February 18, 2018, shane clark said…

Thanks for the welcome Loren,Greetings to all from New Zealand, it's currently 7.45 am Monday morning....so if you want to know the future???? just ask me :-).  oh and by the way....jesus is coming....its pissing down with rain here at the moment....see infalible proof, anyone got a towel?

 i look forward to learning more of Dan Barker and Jerry De Witt.


all the best people, keep up the good work

best regards shane

At 6:13pm on January 9, 2018, Chris said…

Great quote Loren.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
-- Upton Sinclair

At 5:36am on January 9, 2018, Marianne Seals-Vahrenholt said…

New friend Loren!

Keep coming back here. Learning, that many people share my frame of mind. Thx a bunch for creating this site.

Everyone have a great 2018!!

Warm greeting from Germany

At 7:53pm on January 4, 2018, Dyslexic's DOG said…

Hi Loren,

Thanks for asking to be my friend.

I may stick around a little longer on A/N this time.

Last time I got overwhelmed by attacking Trump supporters since he started his run for presidency, but now I've settled down a bit, but still have fun stirring them up. :-D   

Thanks M8!  

At 9:32am on December 26, 2017, Chris said…


I agree with every thing you are saying.

"on this statement: but rarely are they utterly reversed upon admittance of further data."

I didn't make a statement that they do.

An unfortunate fact is that many people still believe in Gowd and the Lowered Jesus Christ because of that it's a good idea to know how believers think.

I didn't think of the word 'Truth' the way Raza presented it until I listened to him. 

Consider it a way to understand, if possible The POTUSs Donald Trumps  truthor Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) truth

Mitch McConnel,  Paul Ryan.  The list goes on and on.

They all have access to the same facts as every one else.

Their Truth is different

They and others propose wealth re-distribution to the top 1%  will help the economy and U.S.

There is no evidence it will.

Are they delusional? No.   They know what it's about.

Is the public who subscribes to the notion of  trickle up economic theory delusional?


Pragmatically the R's such as McConnell and Ryan are doing a great job "For themselves and donors." The votors are too ignorant because of  the terrible news media available to be able to make informed descisions at the voting booth. Also because media outlets are nothing other than entertainment with a bunch of political speculators rather than Ambassadors, and University professors or INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS  many don't have enough information to vote.

That's the goal isn't it?

At 8:43am on December 26, 2017, Chris said…

Facts change with new scientific evidence.

Truth is what someone believes in regardless, or contrary  to the the facts. Evolution and climate change denial for example. WMD's in Iraq justified the war may be another truth.  Jesus was a raal person who was born from a virgin and was killed by the Roman empire for being a revolutianary.  After Jesus's death he rose  to heaven and took all the other dead people (throught history and across the little world) with him into heaven Because of Jesus' sacrafice everyone is absolved of original sin. 

Original Sin, or coarse meands god didn't make human't correctly in the first place..

All of that religious nonsense is about 'Truth." 

Aesops fables are about truth as well.  People fortunately, or unfortunately  don't take Aesop as  serious as limited Abrahamic texts put in the Bible, or Coined in the Koran.

At 10:06am on December 25, 2017, Chris said…


Comment by Loren Miller 2 hours ago

A myth may teach a valuable lesson, such as Aesop's Fables without having any basis in reality.  The lesson may be true, but that's as far as it goes.  Aron Ra offers the following definitions:

  • Fact: A point of data which is either not in dispute, or is indisputable in that it is objectively verifiable.
  • Truth: Any statement which has been or can readily be shown to actually be true. Personal testimony, conviction, conjecture, or speculation can turn out to be true, and may even be accepted as true whenever objection seems unwarranted, but no statement should be classed as ‘truth’ until examined and vindicated.

A fact may be said to be an element of "The Truth," and again, Aron has a position on this matter which I find on point:

If you don't care what the facts are, then you don't care what the truth is.
-- Aron Ra

At 9:48pm on December 9, 2017, Yaphet K. Graham said…

Hello Loren, thanks for the greeting. Sorry it took a bit to answer, relatives were over and we were having a good time while freezing our buns off.

At 12:41am on November 27, 2017, Marianne Seals-Vahrenholt said…

Danke!! thx a bunch for having me!!! :o)

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Krauss, Silverman, and Feet of Clay

Posted on April 16, 2018 at 9:15am 17 Comments

Too many of my heroes have feet of clay!

-- Joan Denoo

It was late February, 2018 when I first learned about issues regarding Lawrence Krauss and his inappropriate behavior toward women.  Then in the first week of March, I got an email from American Atheists, indicating that David Silverman was being suspended from the presidency of that organization, pending an investigation.  One week later, I learned that he has been removed from that position.  In both cases, the…


Dear Senator Portman: Regarding Gun Control...

Posted on February 18, 2018 at 12:00pm 13 Comments

Don't ask why it's taken so long for me to write. Stipulated that I've been involved in "clicktivist" petitions about gun control and perhaps written my representatives here and there in the wake of past mass shootings. Somehow, this last incident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High just GOT to me. That and learning that Ohio Republican Senator Rob Portman has an "A" rating with the National Rifle Association pretty well broke my camel's back.

In any case, the following just went out…


Meditations on "Jonah"

Posted on February 13, 2018 at 9:00am 1 Comment

They say Jonah, he was swallowed by a whale,

But I say, there's no truth to that tale.

I know Jonah, he was swallowed by a song.

-- Paul Simon, "Jonah"

I was going to save that quote for an entry in the Quotations group, but it and the music that accompanies it really captured me this morning ... or “swallowed” me, as Paul put it.

I really admire that – being so consumed with a skill, talent, or desire that it utterly occupies your life, as…


What Would It Take to Believe?

Posted on January 9, 2018 at 8:10am 18 Comments

How many times have we heard it:

“What would it take for you to accept that god exists?”

Answers from atheists to this question have been many and varied.  In an interview with Randy Frazee of the Oak Hills Church of San Antonio, Texas, Friendly Atheist Hemant Mehta said that a personal experience might convince him.  Various others, including Matt Dillahunty, have proposed that Yahweh himself knows what it would take to dissuade him from his apostasy, but as of yet has…




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