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What Is Faith (Aron Ra)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Frankie Dapper Aug 13, 2019. 14 Replies

In the final analysis, faith remains the last resort of believers who argue that their god exists and that everyone, us included, needs to believe to earn a place in an undemonstrated heaven or be…Continue

Tags: evidence, belief, trust, faith

Decoding Jesus: Separating man from myth (CNN - John Blake)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 16, 2017. 6 Replies

Timothy Freke was flipping through an old academic book when he came across a religious image that some would call obscene. It was a drawing of a third-century amulet depicting a naked man nailed to…Continue

Tags: Richard Carrier, Robert Price, mythicist, Jesus

World of Batsh!t - #7: Gravity (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 10, 2016. 3 Replies

Oh, dear ... CoolHardLogic has found another one!  We now have "B S Detector," a flat-earther holding forth on why he's right and everyone else is wrong.  This particular scientific "genius" seems to…Continue

Tags: Einstein, gravity, Dunning-Kruger, CoolHardLogic

World of Batshit - #6: Sphereless (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Feb 15, 2016. 2 Replies

The flying mouse feces spreaders are BACK ... and CoolHardLogic has GOT 'em!  This time he's got some wingnut named Jeranism, who seems to think that there are no spheroidal objects in outer space,…Continue

Tags: Tycho Brahe, parallax, sphere, batshit, Dunning-Kruger

 

Faith is NO Reason ... Truer words were never spoken.

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I'm a semi-retired electrical engineer who has a rather eclectic background, never mind a few miles on the odometer. I suppose I was an "apatheist" for quite a while - largely indifferent to the whole issue of gods - but after 9/11 and the more blatant appearance of evangelicals and Dominionists on the scene, my atheism has finally come to the fore.

Other interests include high-end stereo and home theater (and with that, CD and DVD collecting), BMWs and general car enthusiasm, single-malt whisky and biking.

I flatter myself that I know my way around Atheist Nexus at least reasonably well (I've been here since November of 2009), so if you need a hand with something, please don't hesitate to give a shout.

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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Once a government establishes a state religion, it eventually also imposes that religion, which invariably compromises all others. So it is not possible to have freedom of religion without also having freedom from religion. -- Aron Ra And for all I…"
2 hours ago
Ruth Anthony-Gardner commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"I see the biggest divide between organized authoritarians and relatively disorganized (you can't herd cats) egalitarians. Nobody is organizing large scale for Partnership values, as I think we ought in order to "save the planet".…"
16 hours ago
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"The biggest divide in this country is not between Democrats and Republicans; it's between people who care and people who don't care. -- Rachel Maddow I might modify the above slightly to say, "people who care about someone other than…"
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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandize or agriculture; it…"
Wednesday
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"No society has ever suffered by becoming more reasonable. -- Sam Harris There's been some discussion about whether Harris should have said "reasoned" or "reasoning" as regards the above quote, but the root word is still the…"
Tuesday
Loren Miller commented on Little Name Atheist's group Atheist Ailurophiles
"Messi is a beautiful animal!  I read a story long ago, I think in Popular Science, of a man in the southwest US who had a pet cougar, and for what I remember, the relationship was much the same.  His pal acted much as Messi does: a BIG…"
Tuesday
Loren Miller commented on Randall Smith's group Sports Talk
"The Chiefs / Texans game was a barn-burner, for sure, and I'm with you on KC spotting Houston 24 points to start, but Mahome sure brought 'em back with a vengeance.As for the Seahawks / Packers game ... well, I'm just glad that the…"
Monday
Loren Miller commented on Gerardo Arellano's blog post Stop Childhood Indoctrination - A Message of Hope
"Once you assume a Creator and a plan, it makes us objects in a cruel experiment whereby we are created sick and then commanded to be well. -- Christopher Hitchens Worse: the church asserts that you MUST be sick / broken / sinful / whatever, then…"
Monday
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - In times of war, the law falls silent. -- Cicero, Pro Milone I learned this quote through the good offices of the eponymous episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, which dealt with a whole lot of underhanded…"
Monday
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. -- Robert A. Heinlein Yet another one of those quotes which should have gone up here a long time ago and which is particularly apt in this day and age and situation."
Sunday
Joan Denoo commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
""W]e need a new kind of truth-loving cooperative transparency to cut through toxic Dominator Culture memes, exposing self-interest, corruption, and too-narrow perspectives (for global existential challenges). These "heritage" memes…"
Saturday
Loren Miller commented on Richard C Brown's group learnerscoffeeshack
"No snow here in Northeast Ohio but RAIN, wind, and 67°F!  THIS is supposed to be winter?!?"
Saturday
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. -- Doug McLeod Yeah ... you'd think those in that church didn't believe their god would protect them!"
Jan 11
Loren Miller replied to Ruth Anthony-Gardner's discussion Oppose Trump's vanity war
"Any bets that Soleimani's assassination is the next article of impeachment Schiff wants to introduce?"
Jan 10
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Science can destroy religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the non-existence of Zeus or Thor — but they have few followers now. -- Arthur C. Clarke, Childhood's End…"
Jan 10
Grinning Cat commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Any supposed guide for life which can recommend both sides of an argument is no guide at all.--Loren Miller Indeed! In the Bible, there's even a place where the very next verse gives a contradiction! God needed to hire a better editor!…"
Jan 9
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. -- Oscar Wilde Some of the most important and profound wisdom in a few words I know of."
Jan 9
Ruth Anthony-Gardner commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
""No one will ever fight a war over access to sunshine..." Bill McKibben"
Jan 8
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"That the system of morals propounded in the New Testament contained no maxim which had not been previously enunciated, and that some of the most beautiful passages in the apostolic writings are quotations from Pagan authors, is well known to every…"
Jan 8
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all,…"
Jan 7

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At 2:57pm on November 16, 2019, Patricia said…

Ok, I'll have to find it again.

At 6:13pm on June 30, 2019, Patricia said…

At 6:05pm on June 30, 2019, Patricia said…

Hahahahaha.....these senile moments ya know.........

At 5:09pm on June 30, 2019, Patricia said…

No, I was being a smartass on the quote thing about your hearing crickets in the silence, so I just said I'd lost my hearing as I wasn't hearing any protestations either.

At 4:22pm on June 28, 2019, Tori Gillen said…

Haha, thank you!

At 5:15pm on May 6, 2019, Bobby said…

Thanks Loren,

I managed to retire early a few months ago after 30 plus years designing avionics. It's funny but most of my coworkers were theists. Hard for me to understand why, LOL

At 5:29am on March 23, 2019, Chris said…

Loren,

 Why aren't there more senators such ad Daniel Moyanahan who was more of an engineeer/scientist vs a lawyer  politician type?

Chris

At 6:06pm on January 31, 2019, Ronnie said…
Thank you for greeting loren
At 7:39am on August 18, 2018, Bexs said…

thanks for the welcome....

At 2:04pm on May 8, 2018, OrionWolf said…

Hello Loren! I believe the issue is fixed. Thank you again for the help!

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Then What Are You For?!

Posted on December 5, 2019 at 8:15am 7 Comments

...they [the Roman Catholic Church] for example thought that slavery was perfectly fine... absolutely okay, and then they didn't, and what is the point of the Catholic Church if it says, “oh well we couldn't know better because nobody else did”? [To the affirmative team] Then what are you for?!

-- Stephen Fry, answering a question during the 2009 Intelligence Squared debate, “Is the Catholic Church a force for good in the world?”



Of course, slavery was okay to…

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What A Long, Strange Trip...

Posted on November 16, 2019 at 8:10am 6 Comments

Sometime in early November, 2009, an atheist friend of mine on the now-defunct Experience Project website directed me over to a relatively new site called Atheist Nexus. There, EVERYONE was an atheist, and you didn’t have to worry about believers crashing the party and constantly trying to convert you. Gee, I thought, I should have a look, and I did, and what I found was a lively, vital community of freethinkers who had no problem with stating their points of view in boldface.…



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State / Church Separation, Mike Pompeo, and My Reaction

Posted on October 14, 2019 at 1:45pm 8 Comments

Over the last couple of weeks, I've been hanging out at Hemant Mehta's Friendly Atheist website, reading and commenting on his multiple daily posts.  This afternoon, while scanning an entry regarding an art teacher who was criticizing students whose work offended her Christian sensibilities, someone posted the following graphic, which I thought was particularly disturbing, especially considering its source:…



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An Open Letter / Rant

Posted on October 4, 2019 at 12:10pm 2 Comments

This is an open letter to certain people … people who are supposed to work for the government on our behalf in an official capacity. It can be a cop or a judge or a district attorney, a mayor, governor, or even a president. Judge Roy Moore comes to mind ... and more recently Judge Tammy Kemp. If her name doesn’t ring a bell, think “Amber Guyger.” Kim Davis qualifies here as well. As to presidents, use a little imagination and at least one or two should come to mind. Regardless, this is…

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